The firearm thread

[caseye]

Urgh, yeah, I've never been able to justify anything fancier than a 10/22 mag from there.

I've been eyeing up one of their cheap pump action 12 gauges for a while. Any suggestions in that regard? Looking for something cheap to blow up a dozen or so magpies around my parent's place...

Don't know if they still have em but Seri arse shooters had a line of Saiga semi auto 12 gauges.
I got one a couple of years ago.
Shoots damn tight, a long way out, can do interchangeable chokes, also shoots literally as fast as you can pull the trigger, recoil, negligible.
Best thing, they come with a 5 shot box mag and you can get em up to 30 or more, naturally with the right endorsement.
AK47 action in a shotty, pure fun.

[jono035]

Don't know if they still have em but Seri arse shooters had a line of Saiga semi auto 12 gauges.
I got one a couple of years ago.
Shoots damn tight, a long way out, can do interchangeable chokes, also shoots literally as fast as you can pull the trigger, recoil, negligible.
Best thing, they come with a 5 shot box mag and you can get em up to 30 or more, naturally with the right endorsement.
AK47 action in a shotty, pure fun.

What kinda price range? Tough to beat the ~$400 pump actions but I need something with an AK action to round out the collection...

[caseye]

From memory when i bought it from Richard it was about 5 Hundy. A good price then and it's never missed a beat. Barrel is as always with Russian stuff chromed. no rusting anywhere and it just keeps on going and going, took it out of the safe last week ( first time in nearly 18 months) and blasted some home loads from my brother in law, they kicked good. Too much powder, but handled it fine, shoulder on the other hand a bit sore.
I'd seriously recommend these guns.
The box mag, is the crowning glory, stick of 7, 15 and twenty I beleive, then a full on drum that holds 30 and I believe up to 100, though I think you'd need a gurney to carry it around under the gun.

[nseagoon]

pretty sure serious shooters doesn't have them anymore. I'm imagining they were selling the saigas many years ago. new saiga 12's are around $900 to $1400 for the base model these days

[carver]

pretty sure serious shooters doesn't have them anymore. I'm imagining they were selling the saigas many years ago. new saiga 12's are around $900 to $1400 for the base model these days

i would not have another saiga

[jasonu]

Prices and availability of guns and gun stuff is on the rise. Especially military style weapons and high cap mags. Today my mate bought an AR15 for $2500, last week the very same gun on the very same website was $1600 (and he was lucky to find that one). Try finding high cap mags, good luck with that one. I was lucky enough to find one for my Ruger 9mm. Assult rifle high caps are now pretty much unobtainium. 223 ammo has also become hard to find and more expensive than even 4 days ago.

[jono035]

Prices and availability of guns and gun stuff is on the rise. Especially military style weapons and high cap mags. Today my mate bought an AR15 for $2500, last week the very same gun on the very same website was $1600 (and he was lucky to find that one). Try finding high cap mags, good luck with that one. I was lucky enough to find one for my Ruger 9mm. Assult rifle high caps are now pretty much unobtainium. 223 ammo has also become hard to find and more expensive than even 4 days ago.

Yeah, I'd imagine it's getting to be the same for reloading components, too. Every time there is a serious threat of law changes, people start panic buying firearms, components and ammunition. Not that I blame them, I'd be picking up a few ARs (or at least lowers) in the hope of avoiding some more pointless restrictions in the wake of Sandy Hook.

I had already seen mutterings on various forums about people expecting some form of firearms legislation to be re-enacted like the assault weapons ban if Obama got re-elected, so I guess if people were already worried, this will likely spur them into action.

[Swoop]

Pretty much par for the course. Any hint of politicians writing more crap laws always brings out the buyers.

[jasonu]

Pretty much par for the course. Any hint of politicians writing more crap laws always brings out the buyers.

Na mate, with recient events this time something will happen.

[scumdog]

Na mate, with recient events this time something will happen.

I reckon so too.

Just hope the law-abiding types don't get snared in the new legislation, pollies ain't the sharpest tack in the packet at organising new legislation...

Like in NZ:
If you have a semi-auto .22 with a pistol grip and it only holds five shots in the mag you need a different catagory licence (read: harder to get)
Own a .22 with a 15 shot mag but no pistol grip? - no special licence needed.

Aparently (apart from magazine capacity) if you have the following on a SEMI-AUTO you need a specia,l more expensive-and-harder-to-get licence and increased security:
FREE-STAND MILITARY style pistol a grip (Joe Greens nemesis)
Flash-hider
Bayonet lug
Telescopic butt-stock.

[jasonu]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160942931197...197%26_rdc%3D1
These were $15 2 weeks ago.

[Swoop]

FREE-STAND MILITARY style pistol a grip

This is very interesting. I have noticed gunshops selling A-cats with free standing pistol grips and questioned the dealers. They say "perfectly fine as long as not Nato stock numbered/pattern". Things could get more interesting.

Have just returned from a tour around the gunshops (fook me! D'auckland traffic is jammed and crawing today) and this pistol grip scenario is quite common.

[Flip]

The rozza still have their heads stuck up their asses as far as the whole A-E cat thing goes. They have been taken to task by judges a couple of times now and have been reminded in court that it is not their job to interperate the firearms law. At last count the courts have said that a AR15-Bushmaster is not a E cat but a Military M16 is.

The funny thing is that the rozza have completely and utterly snafu'd the whole E cat thing now. Because of their pig ignorance they have made a whole lot of A cat into E cat when they are not E cat and have made a lot of new E cat licence holders out of shooters who only need an A cat. When I was last "inspected" I was told that I really dont need a E cat licence and why don't they just delete the E cat off my licence. I asked for that in writing so I can present it in court when I sue the police for the cost of the safe and monitored alarm system. Funny I have never heard from them again.

WRT Sagas, I have had one for about 6 years, its gone through about ten thousand shells, almost never jams, gets cleaned once a year if it is lucky. It took me a while to get used to it as it shoots and holds like a rifle also fitting a holographic red dot sight improved my hit ratio by at least 100%. Its butt ugly but works and I will buy another when I wear this one out. I have a couple of 8 round mags but they do make the gun heavy, the 5's are better-easier if I am legging it, the 8's are best if I am on the back of the landrover.

[jono035]

Ended up getting a Maverick 88 from Reloader's Supplies for the same price as the base Gun City 870. Would much rather be buying from there, anyway, as I ended up buying half a dozen other things, all cheaper than at GC. Will have to get a few rounds through it before I can really comment, but so far it looks pretty good. Stock is slightly on the cheap feeling side, but the thing is pretty light.

Swoop - I was out in that crazyness to get the shotgun at lunch time. What a shitfight. By 4:30 it was completely clear, there were 4 or 5 cars stacked up on the onramp in the city and then posted speed the entire way home. Looks like Auckland is emptying out early this year.

With regard to the free-standing pistol grip thing, they have been available for A-cat semi-autos for at least a year now. I'm thinking I picked up my AR-15 at a decent time given the recent political rumblings both here and in the US.

Picked up one of the cheap Trius clay throwers and a box of clays to have a play with while up home, as well. Should be a bit of amusement.

[Indiana_Jones]

I see this shit is coming into force soon...

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/...est/whole.html

-Indy