The firearm thread

[jono035]

You shoot in Auckland?

I'm going to be finishing some induction training soon and then want to really train in ISSF and IPSC. Kinda eyeing up NRA too, but it would be kinda wankish to become a pro in all 3

Yeah, used to shoot at Central Shooters but have been slightly homeless and vagrant with my shooting for a while.

Have shot a couple of times at Warkworth and a couple of Howick recently.

I don't really know anyone who shoots across multiple disciplines like that, so I'd say try all of them and focus on one. It seems like a lot of the clubs that have both smallbore target and largebore action shooters end up with factions that don't get along, as well, so it all seems a little crazy to me.

Where are you doing this induction training?

[Juniper]

Yeah, used to shoot at Central Shooters but have been slightly homeless and vagrant with my shooting for a while.

Have shot a couple of times at Warkworth and a couple of Howick recently.

I don't really know anyone who shoots across multiple disciplines like that, so I'd say try all of them and focus on one. It seems like a lot of the clubs that have both smallbore target and largebore action shooters end up with factions that don't get along, as well, so it all seems a little crazy to me.

Where are you doing this induction training?

Join the club with being homeless CSI

I'm now at APC and loving it.

I don't do politics, I'm an adult.

Been shooting a while so I'm sure on ISSF, IPSC or NRA will be my play time.

[Katman]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/five-ye...ay-gun-5424798

My apologies if the topic has been discussed in this thread already - I'm not going to wade through seven and a half thousand posts to find out.

[Juniper]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/five-ye...ay-gun-5424798

My apologies if the topic has been discussed in this thread already - I'm not going to wade through seven and a half thousand posts to find out.

Who the FUCK gives a 4-5and 6 year old child a firearm and leaves it unattended. The parents should be done for manslaughter.

There is American and then there is blatent stupidity.

Also the article said that the child was given a .22 rifle, yet the child died of a shotgun wound.

I have been shooting since I was 8, in a controlled and educating environment. And have never been allowed to be in any situtation where I was a risk to myself or others.

The Americans will never give up their right to carry for defence, but education should be a massive factor taken into account with any permit given or law change considered.

[Juniper]

Yeah ok, so some things just rub my fur up the wrong way.

[leathel]

yup some stupid people out there, Education is needed for many.

Some just have no respect for rifles, or guns in general, Yanks have some pretty stupid things posted on youtube but even in NZ a lot of the deaths have been from blatant stupidity, night shooting and drinking is still thought of as acceptable by some...plain Stupid in my veiw

So many people are new to the sport of hunting/ Target shooting etc and they haven't had it drumbed in to them from day one like I had but then some have been brought up with parents disregarding all the basic safety rules to so growing up around guns doesn't mean you will be safe too

[jono035]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/five-ye...ay-gun-5424798

My apologies if the topic has been discussed in this thread already - I'm not going to wade through seven and a half thousand posts to find out.

That's a horrible situation, to be sure.

There are many points in the chain where this went wrong. Obviously when something like this happens it seems to be the go-to thing to blame the parents, but there's definitely some truth in that attitude.

"White said the rifle was kept in a corner in the house in Burkesville, southern Kentucky, and the family did not realise a bullet had been left inside it."

Keeping a firearm unsecured is a bad idea, especially with kids in the house. Knowingly allowing the kids to have unsupervised access to the firearm is worse. Having a firearm left unattended in a ready to fire state is criminally negligent, in my mind. The US gets a lot of things right with regards to firearms law as far as I'm concerned, but situations like this do point to a distinct attitude problem. A lot of it is simply habit, as well... The only guns that I keep in a 'just add ammo' state are in my safe, all the others are locked in racks with bolts removed etc. Ammo is kept in a locked cabinet (hot water cupboard, funnily enough) on a separate key to the guns.

I don't see it as any different to leaving knives, power tools etc. out, allowing your kids to play near a busy road or leaving the keys in the ignition and letting the kids play in the car. All of these things have resulted in the same outcome.

Juniper: I don't see any mention in that article of a shotgun wound?

[jono035]

yup some stupid people out there, Education is needed for many.

Some just have no respect for rifles, or guns in general, Yanks have some pretty stupid things posted on youtube but even in NZ a lot of the deaths have been from blatant stupidity, night shooting and drinking is still thought of as acceptable by some...plain Stupid in my veiw

So many people are new to the sport of hunting/ Target shooting etc and they haven't had it drumbed in to them from day one like I had but then some have been brought up with parents disregarding all the basic safety rules to so growing up around guns doesn't mean you will be safe too

That's a good point about 'growing up around guns', actually. The entire reason I'd consider myself a safe shooter is that my dad taught me to use an air rifle and then a .22 rifle at a young age, and made sure that I understood that a gun was never to be pointed at anyone, even in jest, even if unloaded, even if I was only playing with an old rusty shotgun barrel with no action. Also to never put a rifle down or hand it to someone else unless you had the bolt open and had LOOKED to make sure there was nothing in there.

The most dangerous people are those, of any age, who are new to shooting. It's all too easy for someone to have a momentary lapse and accidentally swing the muzzle around until it is pointing in an unsafe direction. The key is making sure that those habits are ingrained as soon as possible so that you can't end up in a situation where that happens without alarm bells going off. Every time I've seen it happen, every shooter who sees it reacts instantly, the neural pathways are just that strong.

I guess there are a lot of similarities with motorbikes... There are old shooters and there are stupid shooters, but there are a hell of a lot less old stupid shooters...

[Juniper]

Ammo is kept in a locked cabinet (hot water cupboard, funnily enough) on a separate key to the guns.

Juniper: I don't see any mention in that article of a shotgun wound?

Don't you find that the moisture messes up your rounds?


They must have just edited it. I reread it several times thinking it must have been a typo..... yep just checked theres an updated stamp of 13:52
Hehe I'm an administrator by trade, fact checking and proofing is part of the package :P

[caseye]

Um what moisture?
If there's moisture in your hot water cupboard then you have a leaky hot water cylinder.
Firearms safety has to be paramount, kids using guns, no big deal, under adequate supervision.
Almost every home in Switzerland and Israel, for instance have a fully operational semi automatic, or full auto capable military rifle stashed behind the front door, sometimes a person goes nuts and takes one of these to harm others, but in general the availability isn't an issue cause everyone in that household is either a serving member of a defence force or and ex member of same and any and all children are taught to leave things alone.
Our own laws regarding storage of guns and ammunition are more than adequate to make sure that this sort of accidental death happens very rarely if at all.
Butt, you can't stop Darwiniansim happening all of the time so I guess that as now some poor innocent child dies because some lazy sloth like fat arsed yank can't be bothered rounding up all of the firearms and putting them out of harms way, naturally after making sure they're all empty and quite safe first.

[jono035]

Don't you find that the moisture messes up your rounds?


They must have just edited it. I reread it several times thinking it must have been a typo..... yep just checked theres an updated stamp of 13:52
Hehe I'm an administrator by trade, fact checking and proofing is part of the package :P

Yeah, the hot water cylinder cupboard should be the driest part of the house or you have serious problems...

To be honest, I wish I'd put the safe in there... A couple of my guns had corrosion on the frames after my garage flooded...

Edit: Actually, there a few companies that make driers for gun safes etc. but they're basically 40W heater elements...

[leathel]

Yeah, the hot water cylinder cupboard should be the driest part of the house or you have serious problems...

To be honest, I wish I'd put the safe in there... A couple of my guns had corrosion on the frames after my garage flooded...

I have a heat bar in my safe , great things to get rid of moisture

I have something similar to this

http://www.brettpro.co.nz/

[jono035]

I have a heat bar in my safe , great things to get rid of moisture

Yeah, I looked at those things and thought '$100 a year of power to run that thing? Screw that!'... More fool me, I guess...

[Akzle]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

fucking ace, for a country that wont import kinder suprises because they're a choking hazard and dangerous for kids...

[Swoop]

Actually, there a few companies that make driers for gun safes etc. but they're basically 40W heater elements...

Screw that.

Just put in a light fitting (bayonet type) and throw in a 20w lightbulb. Piss easy and the bulbs can be picked up at an electrical wholesalers for next to nothing (just buy a pack of 10).

I have to replace a bulb every 2-3 years.