The firearm thread

[Swoop]

I looked into the MSSA (Military Style Semi Auto, Category E) licencing requirements and they did not seem to differ much from the original requirements for a Collector's licence (Category "C") and I was wondering if the requirements for a collector's licence had been made harder, else why go through all that to get an "E" for mean-looking semiautos when you could get a "C" for real autos.

Perhaps there are those here who are more up with the comparisons between E and C licencing requirements and restrictions.

Storage requirements are exactly the same. Getting a C is quite an involved process since you need to have a bonafied "interest" in what you would collect.
It (C Vs E) depends if you want to shoot the firearm or not!

[Wolf]

Storage requirements are exactly the same. Getting a C is quite an involved process since you need to have a bonafied "interest" in what you would collect.
It (C Vs E) depends if you want to shoot the firearm or not!

Cheers for the clarification. I'd looked into category C requirements and when the E cat came in it seemed the same - signed permission slip from a god or at least three of the Titans etc - so I was wondering what the difference was.

Think I'll stick with Cat A and later (when I can afford the time) B.

The MSSA requirements meant two of my friends had to heavily modify their firearms to "not-so-mean-looking". (.22lr Stirling M16-lookalike and a FAL)

Fortunately for me, my SKS only required the mag cut down, Vern Wilson did a good job on that cheaply. I'd already removed the bayonet lug as it was an annoyance and it had a "classic" stock already.

[pritch]

It (C Vs E) depends if you want to shoot the firearm or not!

Exactly. C cat firearms should be stored disabled, simply removing a part and storing it separately will do. The firearm does not need to be mutilated.

MSSAs and full auto weapons held on a C licence may not be fired. Period!

I think the current Police interpretation is that only holders of an E cat licence may fire an MSSA. It is not legal to let a friend with a A cat licence fire your MSSA.

[Mr Merde]

....I think the current Police interpretation is that only holders of an E cat licence may fire an MSSA. It is not legal to let a friend with a A cat licence fire your MSSA.

This is correct.

Its one of the rules that are being looked at in the latest round of police recommendations.

Actually allowing people to use MMSA under supervision.

[Wolf]

Actually allowing people to use MMSA under supervision.

Considering we're allowed to supervise unlicensed minors using an A-cat weapon if we hold an A-class licence and you can use a pistol at the range with only a category A licence, that might make a bit more sense than the current law...

Are MSSAs so mean-looking that an unlicensed person shooting one under direct supervision is likely to terrorise an entire town?

I reckon there should be proper ranges set up so that collectors can actually fire their weapons - if someone is licensed to own a full-auto weapon and wants to burn an entire box of ammo in a few seconds, they should be able to do it.

[Storm]

if someone is licensed to own a full-auto weapon and wants to burn an entire box of ammo in a few seconds, they should be able to do it.

Wolf for PM- I havent heard so much sense in donkeys years! Well done that man

Course, I could be saying that because I am an army geek and every exercise I manage to get on, theres usually a couple of mags cleared out in short order at some point in the ex. PB was seven mags at a time

[The Lone Rider]

You should see the browning .30 cal and the .50 cal barrett clone a guy I know has. Now there's some tough bannanas. The backfire from the .50 cal alone blew his hat clean off his head.

But yeah, not entirely legal shooting some of that hardware.

[Mr Merde]

Considering we're allowed to supervise unlicensed minors using an A-cat weapon if we hold an A-class licence and you can use a pistol at the range with only a category A licence, that might make a bit more sense than the current law...

Are MSSAs so mean-looking that an unlicensed person shooting one under direct supervision is likely to terrorise an entire town?

I reckon there should be proper ranges set up so that collectors can actually fire their weapons - if someone is licensed to own a full-auto weapon and wants to burn an entire box of ammo in a few seconds, they should be able to do it.

Thoughts similar to my own.

I have taught a few persons how to shoot with a pistol. Most of them didnt even hold an A cat licence but if I wanted to teach someone to shoot one of these nasty looking military firearms then they must already hold the E cat licence.

On a similar theme. If you have a Ruger 10/22 with a 10 round mag it is A cat but if you put a 25 round mag in it you have immediately changed it to an E cat and you better have registered it as such or you are a criminal of the first degree. A real anti social, child eating, redneck killer who deserves to have the full weight of the law descend upon you with all its force.

Yes, some place where you can LEGALLY fire full auto would be great but unfortunately us poor civilians asre not to be trusted by our masters so this will never happen.

Mr

[sAsLEX]

I think the current Police interpretation is that only holders of an E cat licence may fire an MSSA. It is not legal to let a friend with a A cat licence fire your MSSA.

Unless you sign up.

Actually allowing people to use MMSA under supervision.

Makes sense I fired a machine gun (C9) when I was 15, legality of that?? Was I going to kill anyone? Well if those horse didn't clear the range......

Yes, some place where you can LEGALLY fire full auto would be great but unfortunately us poor civilians asre not to be trusted by our masters so this will never happen.

I have fired full auto in controlled condition as a civilian, and now its part of my training...... just join up!

YVAN EHT NIOJ, YVAN EHT NIOJ!

[Mr Merde]

.......
I have fired full auto in controlled condition as a civilian, and now its part of my training...... just join up!

YVAN EHT NIOJ, YVAN EHT NIOJ!

Too old now my friend. Been a 5 mile sniper, been delivered by air, played with lots of toys.

[Wolf]

Yes, some place where you can LEGALLY fire full auto would be great but unfortunately us poor civilians asre not to be trusted by our masters so this will never happen.

It wouldn't be too hard to set up - we have shit-loads of firearms ranges around the country with nice safe back-stops and extra pepperoni.

They could have a "full-auto day" once a month for the collectors to bring their toys in and cut loose without throwing the pistol or rifle shooters off their game.

What I'd love to see is something like a range I heard of in the States - they have a specially set-up range where you can set up (as a target) any bit of technology that's fucked you off (computer, monitor, TV, hard disc etc) and blow the shit out of it with the firearm of your choice.

The range rents out a variety of weapons from pistols to shotguns to submachineguns - makes an utter fortune out of people who've had a gutsful of faulty equipment.

Full safety gear, controlled conditions and supervision - with a price-tag to match...

[Wolf]

I have fired full auto in controlled condition as a civilian, and now its part of my training...... just join up!

Wot, and 'ave some soft-cock akin to Bill English get elected and then get sent off to war to aid whoever it is the PM's giving a BJ to that month?

YVAN EHT NIOJ, YVAN EHT NIOJ!

Backmasked subliminals won't work on me!

Besides, at 43 I doubt I'm what they're looking for as a new recruit...

[inlinefour]

A popular thread on my SV site, so will try it here. Let me know if I missed any options in the poll.

This is just for talking about firearms, not the rights and wrongs of firearm ownership.

Anyone know who the NZ browning importer is? I need an extractor spring for an auto-22.

Just for interest of others, the NZ Police have stated reciently to me that soonish a fire arms licience will be required to own a slug weapon due to all the idiots out there doing idiotic things with them. I actualy had the Police in giving me a talking to while I was in Burwood Spinal Unit, due to buying online a target air pistol and a replica Last Samarai sword. The fact is that society is now paranoid as fark due to the minority being tards...

[ManDownUnder]

Just for interest of others, the NZ Police have stated reciently to me that soonish a fire arms licience will be required to own a slug weapon due to all the idiots out there doing idiotic things with them. I actualy had the Police in giving me a talking to while I was in Burwood Spinal Unit, due to buying online a target air pistol and a replica Last Samarai sword. The fact is that society is now paranoid as fark due to the minority being tards...

Actually I'm in favour of it too. 1000fps does a lot of damage. I got the shits a while back in a Central Auckland gun shop when a couple of "less-than-perfectly-desirables" entered the shop looking for the smallest, most powerful air pistol combo.

They were a pack of wannabe gansters I wouldn't trust with a butterknife - let alone something silent, menacing, albeit with on a modest amount of power...

I'd also like to see all air pistols and airifles somehow made obvious (i.e. paint them safety orange or... I dunno). The AOS must have a bitch of a time when facing someone carrying a glock... unsure if it's the high velocity kind... or the 300fps type.

[Wolf]

I'd also like to see all air pistols and airifles somehow made obvious (i.e. paint them safety orange or... I dunno). The AOS must have a bitch of a time when facing someone carrying a glock... unsure if it's the high velocity kind... or the 300fps type.

According to some on-line catalogues, there are releases of the soft-air guns with bright red or orange muzzles to denote "TOY" - presumably for jurisdictions where such things must be clearly identifiable.

Of course, not a lot of good in dark area where colour vision is diminished - even red looks dark.

The bright coloured ones are not great for the likes of myself - I buy the plastic fantastics as ersatz "collector" pieces - I get something that looks very like the real McCoy but doesn't cost as much.

The thing is: I practically have to store them as if they were the real McCoy