The firearm thread

[Akzle]

Mind you I think E-cat is a batter way to go

get your b & c at the same time and only pay one endorsement fee (200$) the storage reqs are the same, too.

but yeah, nah. giving the police even more authority to track you, drop in for a coffee and a look at your tool box, registering your guns, more expensive storage reqs, being targeted by the non-blue gangs for theivery....
e'erybody get E cat!

[leathel]

get your b & c at the same time and only pay one endorsement fee (200$) the storage reqs are the same, too.

but yeah, nah. giving the police even more authority to track you, drop in for a coffee and a look at your tool box, registering your guns, more expensive storage reqs, being targeted by the non-blue gangs for theivery....
e'erybody get E cat!

would be good to get a B but to much stuffing around for that one, I don't have the time to comply with that.

[Akzle]

would be good to get a B but to much stuffing around for that one, I don't have the time to comply with that.

same 6mm safe is reqd. go to your pistol club now,
~6 months proby.

discuss with your AO, whather he'll let you pay it now and get it ticked off down the line.

[leathel]

same 6mm safe is reqd. go to your pistol club now,
~6 months proby.

discuss with your AO, whather he'll let you pay it now and get it ticked off down the line.

Dude I have very few free weekends as it is hence the no time, I wont be fucking around at pistol clubs if I have a free weekend I will be in the bush or on the road or dirt on motorbikes or fishing

[Indiana_Jones]

The police state it has been well advertised......Doesnt include Druganov style or thumbholes. Also changes to Airguns and Paintball markers.

http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...let-form-f.pdf

http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/p...earm-air-rifle

Thanks for the link mate.

Glad to see one can still have a Dragunov stock and that these rules only apply to Semiauto rifles, I was worried they were going to try and enforce it on bolt action ones also.

what happened there was that the police decided to mis-interpret the statute. the thing is, it's not the polices job to interpret statute, merely enforce it.
it was tested at court (by someone representing the cuntmissioner) and the police lost. (costs not awarded iirc)

then teh old boys network kicked in and we have a new arms import regulations and miscellaneous other shit to disarm the population act.
it passed 3rd reading and will be de facto law about june next year.

the thing with the air gun restrictions is you can't import an AIR pistol if it looks like a firearm, "without having the appearance of any particular firearm"
so... you can't import bananas, because they look like a pistol if you paint them black and squint a bit.

Yup, have been following this for a while (haven't lately as it kinda dropped out of the media radar/having a baby).

So pretty much all that has happened is that they have made the status-quo the law it seems.

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

So pretty much all that has happened is that they have made the status-quo the law it seems.

-Indy

Not really, this was bought up by a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_SL8, which was labelled as a pistol grip by the fuzz. These are fine now. So is my little .22!!

[leathel]

So pretty much all that has happened is that they have made the status-quo the law it seems.

-Indy

The old law got challenged to what a military stock was and they lost allowing free standing pistol grip as A.... now its no longer A but the threat that thumb hole etc stocks were going to be looks like just that ... a threat and not law

So at least you can still get a stock that the safety can be used with the thumb

I guess the free standing law is so that don't have semis that have no workings in the stock having a removable top piece so it then becomes easy to conceal ?

[Akzle]

The old law got challenged to what a military stock was and they lost allowing free standing pistol grip as A.... now its no longer A but the threat that thumb hole etc stocks were going to be looks like just that ... a threat and not law

a "military pattern" free standing pistol grip has "been generally accepted by the shooting community" to be E cat.

this is written into to the new "law" which also states (sic) "we considered getting someone who actually knows shit about guns to help us out on this, but we actually don't give a fuck and are only retro-actively making legislation to keep some jews paid and remove the egg from the cuntmissioner's face."
thank.you. women in parliament!

I guess the free standing law is so that don't have semis that have no workings in the stock having a removable top piece so it then becomes easy to conceal ?

no, as above.

[Indiana_Jones]

Not really, this was bought up by a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_SL8, which was labelled as a pistol grip by the fuzz. These are fine now. So is my little .22!!

Yup they tried to say they were free-standing grips, but clearly they're not.

-Indy

[Swoop]

They don't seem to like the type of "thumbhole" stock that only has a metal rod connecting across from the butt stock to the base of the pistol grip (a.k.a. "gun-city special").

[sAsLEX]

Yeah, only 'free-standing' grips. When I said I had a rifle with a free-standing grip, the arms officer also asked if it was 2 separate pieces or moulded together like some of the ATI stocks. I should have pressed him for some more details on that one, really.

Either way, installed my E-cat safe last weekend so I'll be adding that endorsement first thing in the new year. Joy.

Might pay to get a stock like here- http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaB...num=1386563454 for when/if you sell the AR15 for a decent gun...... a lot of the guys over here (UK Mil) have a deep an undying passionate hatred for the direct gas system they use.

There is a German redesign by HK that uses rod actuation instead, but the American stupidity made them want something that looked like an M4 et. al. so the Germans had to put a forward assist on it even though their design no longer required it. Such as can be seen here -http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/HK416.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK416&h=834&w=2143&sz=244&tbnid=FSJgpK0NLc70RM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=231&zoom=1&usg=__WN1QP1aEeTpWkA530NON1Zwq2Z8=&docid=qJMwW1ysvdp4vM&sa=X&ei=NdupUtfoHM2ThQfF2YDIDg&ved=0CEAQ9QEwAg

Silly Americans...

[nseagoon]

It's not just the 416 that is piston driven, some parts of the US military are going to american piston uppers on their ARs.

as for the rifles themselves, while they aren't the best thing ever I think they're decent. mine is sub MOA out of the box and, light yet sturdy. I'm not going to bother with a piston system because it's not for military use and even a big 3 gun match won't heat up the system enough to require piston. it just comes down to personal preference.
I think of it as lego for adults. pull two pins and you can change calibres, etc. everything is able to be worked on by average joe. even replacing the barrel. not too many rifles are able to be modded like that without involving a gunsmith.

in saying that, speaking of H&K and the UK military we could discuss the dogs body that was the L98A1 (SA80) :-p
it only took the military two models to get that one acceptable.
Meanwhile the AR15 is up to the A4 and still changing....

[awa355]

Here's one who made his mark in the firearms world.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/...es-in-hospital

[sAsLEX]

Has anyone done this recently?

I have found a stock/chassis system I want to put my R700 into however the manufacturer will only ship to US postal addresses, he has given me www.reloadinginternational.com ; as a possible export agent and mentioned requiring a US export license.

Is there somewhere concise that holds the information required around this process?

Cheers,

[Akzle]

Has anyone done this recently?

I have found a stock/chassis system I want to put my R700 into however the manufacturer will only ship to US postal addresses, he has given me www.reloadinginternational.com ; as a possible export agent and mentioned requiring a US export license.

Is there somewhere concise that holds the information required around this process?

Cheers,

the US have to put up wit the ATF, they have silly rules about shotguns...
as i understand, a licensed person/company can export WITHOUT A PERMIT but need to fill in a NOTICE (atf X), however, NZ side you will need a permit to procure (pol 51 IIRC) and that may well need to be sighted stateside before it leaves. (meeb as part of atx form)

never done it, that's just what i've heard along the way.