The firearm thread

[Swoop]

I'd also like to see all air pistols and airifles somehow made obvious (i.e. paint them safety orange or... I dunno). The AOS must have a bitch of a time when facing someone carrying a glock... unsure if it's the high velocity kind... or the 300fps type.

Those that can be purchased at a toy shop, do match that method of identification (red muzzle).
The airguns are a bit different and are intended to look as real as possible.
Unfortunately the "wannabe gangsta homo's" like them as well...
If the AOS shoot one of these morons, while said moron was displaying it in a public place, I will be very grateful.

[Wolf]

If the AOS shoot one of these morons, while said moron was displaying it in a public place, I will be very grateful.

Happened in Aucks a few years back - moron brandishes replica soft-air Glock, is challenged by AOS, refuses to relinquish pistol, points it at them. Is shot in leg, refuses to relinquish, wounded again, still refuses to relinquish, shot and killed.

Big hu et cri by Joe Random Dickhead about the cops killing a guy with a toy.

Paper publishes side-by-side pics of soft-air Glock and real police issue Glock - camera is a lot closer than the cops were in the situation. 9 out of 10 people I showed the pic to thought the real Glock was the toy. I think #10 was a lucky guess.

Spoke with someone who actually knew the guy who was killed - the person I spoke to reckonned he (the deceased) was a fucking retard and deserved to be shot...

The world I live in, if you present what looks like a real firearm, you can expect to be treated as if it is real - AOS response and being shot at by real weapons. If you're lucky enough to survive expect prosecution for presenting a loaded firearm. That has been the law since forever, I know and understand it and act accordingly - I don't brandish toy (or any other) firearms...

[Swoop]

The world I live in, if you present what looks like a real firearm, you can expect to be treated as if it is real - AOS response and being shot at by real weapons.

I've only had two pointed at me. One was definately real, the other was definately a toy!
The ex used to work teller duty at a large bank, and was looking down the barrel of a sawnoff shotgun one day. She was NOT amused!

[Wolf]

I've only had two pointed at me. One was definately real, the other was definately a toy!
The ex used to work teller duty at a large bank, and was looking down the barrel of a sawnoff shotgun one day. She was NOT amused!

Never had the misfortune of staring down the business end of a firearm, it is doubtless very unpleasant.

Would certainly not shed a tear if the AOS blew the bastard away afterwards.

The thing that surprises me about the case I quoted:

I thought SOP for the AOS was "shoot to stop" - why the fuck did they wound him twice - especially since he kept pointing the pistol at them after wounded. If it had been a real firearm he could have killed one of them.

The shot should have been into the CoM the moment he turned the weapon on them. If he lives, fine - prosecute. If he dies, who cares?

[The Lone Rider]

Those orange tips come off or are just painted over the edge. They are for american sales, and only for shipping (so that postal services know they are dealing with a toy, not real)

As for replica's, if you have one and brandish or walk around with it in public, you are well aware of what other peoples reactions are and should be no issue if AOS shoot you.

Are the laws going to be for slug guns, or soft air guns? Soft air guns are made to look realistic due to mainly being made and used for Airsoft which is a hugely competitive sport overseas and in NZ it's shall we say.. very fragmented in who plays the sport.

Ban them all I say. Or make them all licensed weapons. If you can afford Gun City prices, you can afford a license hahahahahaha

[Drunken Monkey]

I thought SOP for the AOS was "shoot to stop" - why the fuck did they wound him twice - especially since he kept pointing the pistol at them after wounded. If it had been a real firearm he could have killed one of them.

Just because an officer shoots with the intent to stop, it doesn't mean the result can't be a wound. C'mon, we should all know that. I've never shot a goat, rabbit or possum with the intent to wound - if I was good enough to head shot them every time, I probably would. As it stands, sometimes you just don't kill them first time.

[sAsLEX]

Just because an officer shoots with the intent to stop, it doesn't mean the result can't be a wound. C'mon, we should all know that. I've never shot a goat, rabbit or possum with the intent to wound - if I was good enough to head shot them every time, I probably would. As it stands, sometimes you just don't kill them first time.

Legs are a long way off the CoM..... and AOS should be relatively accurate shots with rifles...the head is a smaller target than a leg most of the time...

[Drunken Monkey]

Legs are a long way off the CoM..... and AOS should be relatively accurate shots with rifles...the head is a smaller target than a leg most of the time...

Relatively accurate isn't the same as accurate.

Are you saying saying they're all perfect shots and NEVER miss their targets, no matter what the shooting conditions?

[scumdog]

I'd also like to see all air pistols and airifles somehow made obvious (i.e. paint them safety orange or... I dunno). The AOS must have a bitch of a time when facing someone carrying a glock... unsure if it's the high velocity kind... or the 300fps type.

Piss-off, the wannabe ganstas would paint 'em semi-gloss black - and anyway, only a 'tard would front up AOS with a replices, Darwins genetic selection at its best!!!

Wouldn't worry me for a second if I had to waste a loser that did a stand-off face-to-face with me and he only had a replica, I ain't taking the chance that it IS a replica.

[ManDownUnder]

Piss-off, the wannabe ganstas would paint 'em semi-gloss black - and anyway, only a 'tard would front up AOS with a replices, Darwins genetic selection at its best!!!

Wouldn't worry me for a second if I had to waste a loser that did a stand-off face-to-face with me and he only had a replica, I ain't taking the chance that it IS a replica.

Agreed but in the hands of a... 12 year old... or 14 year old... ?

Dunno - I hear what you're saying - and agree but the ambiguous situations will be the test and an innocent/ignorant life could be lost. That's be the shame for me...

[Sniper]

I own a variety of air guns just to collect them. Things looked so real that I had to prove to the firearms officer who came to inspect my safe ect that it is just a toy G36 and I dont keep a mag loaded for it all the time.

[scumdog]

I own a variety of air guns just to collect them. Things looked so real that I had to prove to the firearms officer who came to inspect my safe ect that it is just a toy G36 and I dont keep a mag loaded for it all the time.

Just don't take the chance and point the sucker at me dude!!!

Pfft vs Kapow = SOMEBODY dead!

[Sniper]

Just don't take the chance and point the sucker at me dude!!!

Pfft vs Kapow = SOMEBODY dead!

Trust me matey, I dont run around pointing firearms at people (Fake or otherwise). Ive seen when it goes wrong....

[scumdog]

Trust me matey, I dont run around pointing firearms at people (Fake or otherwise). Ive seen when it goes wrong....

Yeah but YOU haven't been watching too many hommie gansta movies where they hold the pistols on their sides!!

FFS If God had meant for pistols to be fired that way the sights would be on the side of the slide!!)

[Mr Merde]

A little bored this week so I rumaged aroud in my collection of older books.

WHat have I found.

A copy of Ed McGivern's book

"Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting"

Originally written in 1936.

Wow what a man. What a pistol shooter. His tips and advice are as relevant today as they were then.

I think its time to hit all the others I have.


Learn from the past.


BTW For those who didnt know.

Ed McGivern holds the record for the fastest use of a revolver.
He shot a double action revolver at a target 10 feet from him, six times. All the shots were in a 1" hole and the time taken to do this

45/100ths of a second. Thats less than half a second for six shots, double action. Faster than a lot of machine guns.

As far as I know this stilll hasnt been beaten