The firearm thread

[nseagoon]

wait,so you want to get an e cat rifle(/parts), on an a cat license?

No. That's a separate issue.

They are creating a binding end user agreement that is illegal stating the parts will only be used for A cat use. Then they're also stopping use of the pol67,( a form they created) to stop movement of A and E parts between endorsements.
Two separate issues.
Firstly it's simply in policy and not law at all,
Secondly It could mean if you sell a part in NZ and someone puts it on their E rifle after you sell it, there are risks of legal implications on you the seller.

Also as I mentioned the pol67 was created so this could be done so essentially why can't items be moved between endorsements? Other than simply because pol hq wants control

[Akzle]

No. That's a separate issue.

They are creating a binding end user agreement that is illegal stating the parts will only be used for A cat use. Then they're also stopping use of the pol67,( a form they created) to stop movement of A and E parts between endorsements.
Two separate issues.
Firstly it's simply in policy and not law at all,
Secondly It could mean if you sell a part in NZ and someone puts it on their E rifle after you sell it, there are risks of legal implications on you the seller.

Also as I mentioned the pol67 was created so this could be done so essentially why can't items be moved between endorsements? Other than simply because pol hq wants control

the seller would no longer be the end user, innit?

Intent can change.
Consent can be revoked.

Also. "binding" is a legal thing. Requires disclosure and agreement and shit. So while you may "agree", there has not been full disclosure, ergo the contract is null and void.
Also, i dont believe (but have not seen either way) that they ARE creating a binding EULA.

[nseagoon]

the seller would no longer be the end user, innit?

Intent can change.
Consent can be revoked.

Also. "binding" is a legal thing. Requires disclosure and agreement and shit. So while you may "agree", there has not been full disclosure, ergo the contract is null and void.
Also, i dont believe (but have not seen either way) that they ARE creating a binding EULA.

it's a new 'policy' with A category imports started in the last few weeks.

[jasonu]

There is a bit of a loop hole here. Anyone can buy an 80% lower receiver without any paperwork. That is an unfinished receiver that isn't quite a gun hence no paper work. You are in fact buying a lump of aluminium with some milled slots and drilled holes. An hour on the mill turns it into an actual receiver which is the part (in the USA) that makes a gun a gun. The receiver is the only part of the gun that is restricted here (except silencers and such). Buy the upper, trigger kit etc and hey presto.

I wonder how long it will take the NZ thorities to figure that one out...

http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-...receivers.html
https://www.rockriverarms.com/index....ategory_ID=202

[Swoop]

The receiver is the only part of the gun that is restricted here]

The receiver is the firearm, here too. Just that the public servant's do not want that fact anywhere near them.
Their job is to enforce law, NOT attempt to create it - since that is the politician's job.

[Akzle]

There is a bit of a loop hole here. Anyone can buy an 80% lower receiver without any paperwork. That is an unfinished receiver that isn't quite a gun hence no paper work. You are in fact buying a lump of aluminium with some milled slots and drilled holes. An hour on the mill turns it into an actual receiver which is the part (in the USA) that makes a gun a gun. The receiver is the only part of the gun that is restricted here (except silencers and such). Buy the upper, trigger kit etc and hey presto.

I wonder how long it will take the NZ thorities to figure that one out...

http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-...receivers.html
https://www.rockriverarms.com/index....ategory_ID=202

we have vague enough legislation here...
~"any thing or part, that by repair or
re assembly can be made to fire any projectile, missile... etc"

so, technically, any bit of 18.5mm id pipe is a shotgun waiting to happen...

[jasonu]

we have vague enough legislation here...
~"any thing or part, that by repair or
re assembly can be made to fire any projectile, missile... etc"

so, technically, any bit of 18.5mm id pipe is a shotgun waiting to happen...

Then there is the folks that make 3d guns...

[nseagoon]

Here a receiver is a receiver whether it's 80% or not.
The only similarity with the states is the lower is deemed the firearm.
Opposed to say a SLR which the upper is numbered so the upper is the firearm as that's the registered part.

The obvious issue that NZ law wasn't designed for was if you have an AR upper with a bayonet lug or flash suppressor it's not E cat.
Not until you stick it on a lower at least.

That's the problem with new legislation that will be created, it's always focused more on creating more control of licence holders and their firearms, rather than just accepting they're either fit and proper or not.

[Akzle]

That's the problem with new legislation that will be created, it's always focused more on creating more control of licence holders and their firearms, rather than just accepting they're either fit and proper or not.

yeah, thats the intent of the current, when we scrapped the firearms register. To license the person, rather than the gun.

However. An unarmed population is easier to control, just ask young adolf...

[jasonu]

8" barrel SBR 300 black out.

[5150]

I just got a Crosman 140 Third Variant (1956-1962) pump action air rifle. This thing is still mint and fires strong and straight. It has been recently resealed. This model has the safety through the stock. (Push left and its safe, push right and free to fire). When it is in safe mode and not pumped, the trigger is locked, but as soon as you pump it even though the safety is on, it will fire. Anyone in the know how can recommend a remedy or who in the Waikato area could look at it for me? From what I understand the safety has a spring and 2 ball bearings within the assembly. I wander if something has gone astray there of if the sear is worn out?

Cheers

[5150]

Also can anyone tell me what is the procedure if any with purchasing online air rifles from overseas? I am after Benjamin 392 air rifle (pump action, NOT PCP)

Do I need an import permit even if I don't generally need a fire arms license on an air rifle? It is not a high powered one.

Thanks

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Anyone have a Lee Full Size die in 243 they want to sell ?
Cheers

[Flip]

8" barrel SBR 300 black out.

Lot of money to spend for a rifle that duplicates a old 7.62x39 AK/SK?

[Akzle]

Lot of money to spend for a rifle that duplicates a old 7.62x39 AK/SK?

not quite. The 300blk is typically loaded subsonic. Making it more a cq weapon. It can however be hotted up for longer range shit, which is where you can start comparing to the x39.
It's a .223 case blown out to 308, which means there's heaps less shoulder on it, stacks more in a mag, easier chambering, and shorter (lighter faster) action.
I'd consider it a somewhat more refined cartridge than x39. Especially compared to one of those sk chinese chainsaws.