The firearm thread

[Akzle]

I have to say thay the M14/16 is not my favorite action. IMHO its a complicated weapon for simple soldiers. Why would anybody load sub sonic 300blk into a stoner rifle and not expect anything but trouble.

As I said its a lot of money for a rifle to shoot a (if you like) refined version of the old 7.62x39 when a $300 SKS would do the same job, run more reilyably and cost a whole bucket of cash less to shoot?

A good friend of mine has a M14 300 blk and well to be honest it is not half the rifle my dirty old AK is.

the m14 is a rifle, and a competent one at that.

you mean the m16? the AR platform one as pictured?
yeah, i'd take an AK over the 16.
BUT if they had an AK chambered in 300blk, i'd take that, as it's a superior, more versatile cartridge, imho.
the blk is better suited to urban combat and sneaky shit.
the x39 is a do-all with compromises at both ends, not the accuracy/range of other 30 cals, and too much noise and oomph inside 50m.
not that it cant be loaded up/down, just that you're not going to get the same versatility out of one gun.

reliability is a bit moot, as the AK platform beats out the AR. as you note, it's a fiddly and pedantic piston system. never handled a stoner so can't comment.

[TheDemonLord]

Dear Gun Afficianados,

Hopefully this year I am finally going to get round to getting my Cat A licence.

Long Term I would like to go for my Cat E (which means 3 Gun)

Mainly I'd like to try medium range (200-400m) target shooting with a Rifle (I'm thining 308/303).

I'd like recommendations on:

1: a good, small, relatively inexpensive (within reason) 2-3 gun safe.
2: Any reputable tradespeople that would bolt said safe to either Concrete or Wooden stud (I could probably do it myself, but I'd rather stick to IT)
3: a good choice for a first Firearm given the above
4: Clubs/Groups/Chur cunts/Other that have access to ranges such as the above and like to go shooting.
5: I may in the future try my hand at hunting deer (I'm partial to Venison) but I don't fancy getting shot by an idiot hunter, nor do I fancy accidentally killing someone else - what are the options for a total beginner (with heaps of FPS experience - cause that shit is like totes transferrable, just need to press the Q key to check if they are friendly or not).

And no Akzle, $5 and a bag of crisps need not apply.

[Akzle]

Dear Gun Afficianados,

Long Term I would like to go for my Cat E (which means 3 Gun)

Mainly I'd like to try medium range (200-400m) target shooting with a Rifle (I'm thining 308/303).

I'd like recommendations on:

1: a good, small, relatively inexpensive (within reason) 2-3 gun safe.
2: Any reputable tradespeople that would bolt said safe to either Concrete or Wooden stud (I could probably do it myself, but I'd rather stick to IT)
3: a good choice for a first Firearm given the above
4: Clubs/Groups/Chur cunts/Other that have access to ranges such as the above and like to go shooting.
5: I may in the future try my hand at hunting deer (I'm partial to Venison) but I don't fancy getting shot by an idiot hunter, nor do I fancy accidentally killing someone else - what are the options for a total beginner (with heaps of FPS experience - cause that shit is like totes transferrable, just need to press the Q key to check if they are friendly or not).

And no Akzle, $5 and a bag of crisps need not apply.

no. e cat means MSSA.
3 gun is typically pistol, rifle, shotgun.

being in auckland there are 3 or 4 clubs to shoot with, clevedon and waitemata off the top of my head, both shoot out to ~1km.

308 is a nicer round. with more versatility. easily accurate within 1400m.
303 is a cheaper round. with more availability of both guns and ammo. (and can be loaded to accurate out to 800m ish)
i have a hard on for 30-06 at the mo, which is more versaitile again, so check them out too.
if you have lots of monies go for a 375 or 338

basically any 30 cal will do what you want. hell, at that range most 20s are open to you, 270, 243, 22-250.
if you wan to be a real target shooter, try 6mmPPC at 1000m. (refer 6mmbr.com for examples)

expect to spend the price again on optics. kahles, swarovski, leupold, nighforce, redfield. in that order.

any safe from h+f type stores will do. personally i would avoid electric unless you're spending big money.
key is best, followed by combination, followed by PIN followed by biometric.

recommend a) getting the biggest safe you can fit b) getting E cat spec from the outset.

first rifle. for target shooting only? how many do you plan on buying (in your life)? a blaser, kimber, steyr, sako will last for your grandkids.

a remmington 700 is a good cheap introduction but a bit light for 308 IMO. anything at a gunshop (ruger, marlin, winchester, remington etc) will probably be subMOA out of the box nowdays.

in 303 any number of SMLE, war guns, cut downs are avail. many will have the barrels shot out (need replace).
my preference would be the parker hale over mauser. a mosin just for interest.

as with anything, get some saddle time before buying. for someone totally new to shooting, you need to get a feel for what you need to get a feel for. don't just buy a gun in the pub carpark cos the bloke reckons he'd take the balls off a bird at 500m.

look at ammo prices too as part of buying decision, especially if you're shooting high volume, or get friendly with a reloader.

hunting is different from shooting. but shooting is obviously a part, 200m is a long shot on a deer, so you dont need to be that good.

oh, and any nigger can bolt that shit in. +HP for concrete floor and walls.

[Akzle]

and as to not shooting cunts, follow the seven rules.

as to not being shot, blaze camo is the recommended. but it does look like a red's arse at dawn and dusk, so....

basically, become ninja, you should be able to (but not actually do) poach/hunt through someone's block without them even knowing you're there.

camo looks trick, a ghillie suit even better, but mostly just stubbies and a swannie will do ya.

[Swoop]

Long Term I would like to go for my Cat E (which means 3 Gun)

Mainly I'd like to try medium range (200-400m) target shooting with a Rifle (I'm thining 308/303).

I'd like recommendations on:

1: a good, small, relatively inexpensive (within reason) 2-3 gun safe.
2: Any reputable tradespeople that would bolt said safe to either Concrete or Wooden stud (I could probably do it myself, but I'd rather stick to IT)
3: a good choice for a first Firearm given the above
4: Clubs/Groups/Chur cunts/Other that have access to ranges such as the above and like to go shooting.

3 goon will be fun, but perhaps start with a decent smallbore rifle and work on being accurate. A nice .22 is cheap to run and you can fire away all afternoon having fun trying to make a 1cm target disappear.
A "first firearm" isn't going to be one which is used in 3-gun.

Mid-range would be good using .308. A few folks will zero a .308 at 700yds...

Safes?
Any twat with a hammer-action drill and a socket set can install one of those.
Seriously.

And perhaps Warkworth club would be your best bet for local range? Good cnuts there too.

[nseagoon]

Dear Gun Afficianados,

Hopefully this year I am finally going to get round to getting my Cat A licence.

Long Term I would like to go for my Cat E (which means 3 Gun)

Mainly I'd like to try medium range (200-400m) target shooting with a Rifle (I'm thining 308/303).

I'd like recommendations on:

1: a good, small, relatively inexpensive (within reason) 2-3 gun safe.
2: Any reputable tradespeople that would bolt said safe to either Concrete or Wooden stud (I could probably do it myself, but I'd rather stick to IT)
3: a good choice for a first Firearm given the above
4: Clubs/Groups/Chur cunts/Other that have access to ranges such as the above and like to go shooting.
5: I may in the future try my hand at hunting deer (I'm partial to Venison) but I don't fancy getting shot by an idiot hunter, nor do I fancy accidentally killing someone else - what are the options for a total beginner (with heaps of FPS experience - cause that shit is like totes transferrable, just need to press the Q key to check if they are friendly or not).

And no Akzle, $5 and a bag of crisps need not apply.

Get a big safe. 10 gun or larger . If you don't you'll regret it especially if you get in to multi gun.
6mm steel certified safe and mount in to a concrete base with 10mm self tapping concrete screws. Takes about 5 minutes to install.
Most people start with the best of intentions of only owning one or two firearms but it rarely happens that way.

As for firearms if you're getting in to sport shooting I'd suggest look at building an AR15 or two. In the mean time pick up a .22 for bunnies and possums and a centrefire rifle.
My pick would be a .308 as ammo is always available at any shop and often in a range of projectile weights.
Remington 700 is my pick as customizing and after market products are pretty common and not too expensive locally but any brand will do.
They're all mauser actions so all relatively similar.
To be competitive and modular in multi gun rifle the majority use an AR15 platform.

Also get a shotgun at some point too.
Again my suggestion is 12 gauge. Gun city 870 are adequate and sometimes not too expensive but if you're serious about competing you'll look at a semi auto.
Mossburg does one that isn't too bad.
And saiga does one based on the Klashnikov action but they're heavy and take a bit of work to set up right.

If going for an endorsement get all your endorsements at once so you only pay the single $200 fee rather than paying the fee multiple times, and going through the application process multiple times.
I'd suggest get pistol and collectors at the same time as MSSA.
sometimes life gets in the way and C can be handy to move your pistols over to that should you have to give up pistol shooting if you run out of money, have kids etc. Because pistol shooters have to shoot 12 times a year minimum.

For clubs look at joining your local pistol or service rifle club or any shooting organisation. Even Deer Stalkers (although DSA doesn't have the greatest safety reputation at the moment)

Chances are a club member if they like your range safety and experience may be willing to bring you on a hunt or go shooting on their farm/land etc.
Basically it's who you know

[scumdog]

in 303 any number of SMLE, war guns, cut downs are avail. many will have the barrels shot out (need replace).
my preference would be the parker hale over mauser. a mosin just for interest.

Most Parker-Hales ARE Mauser actions...of couse the 303s less so.

[Akzle]

Most Parker-Hales ARE Mauser actions...of couse the 303s less so.

did you actually say anything there? i mean, shit. i realise relevancy is hard for you, and my contexts are pretty subtle. but fuck.

to not confuse the uninitiated (TDL)

PH 303:

K98 Mauser 303:

mauser based enfield 303:


my pick remains the parker hale.

[scumdog]

did you actually say anything there? i mean, shit. i realise relevancy is hard for you, and my contexts are pretty subtle. but fuck.

to not confuse the uninitiated (TDL)


my pick remains the parker hale.

Yadda-yadda-yadda...so, did I say anything incorrect? an' know about P14s an shit..

[Akzle]

Yadda-yadda-yadda...so, did I say anything incorrect? an' know about P14s an shit..

theres a difference between incorrect an irrelevant. Somone oughta buy you a dictionary.

When i say "i recommend ph over mauser 303"
you dont need to say "most ph actions are mauser based, except 303"

there. That should save you having to look up irrelevant.

[pritch]

Dear Gun Afficianados,

Hopefully this year I am finally going to get round to getting my Cat A licence.

Long Term I would like to go for my Cat E (which means 3 Gun)

You will need A B C & E endorsements. (The C is there as a backup in case there is a problem with your B and 'cause it won't cost extra, but you shouldn't mention that to the interviewer.)

You're going to need a serious safe to hold all three categories, or two different safes?

I'd like venison too but going anywhere near the bush round Easter with all the once-a-year-hunters from Ponsonby is a definite no no. Anyway I'm too bloody fat to climb the hills... All those bottles of wine had to end up somewhere.

[pritch]

Speaking of Mauser actions? When Lapua designed the 338 Lapua Magnum they did so knowing they could go to full pressure without worrying about any old guns in the calibre. 'Cause there were none. So Kiwi do-it-yer-selfer decides to build a .338LM on a K98 action. And you can't tell them. I tried.

Even more worrying than the dickhead who builds it, is the guy who unknowingly buys the potential grenade off him at some later date.

[Akzle]

Speaking of Mauser actions? When Lapua designed the 338 Lapua Magnum they did so knowing they could go to full pressure without worrying about any old guns in the calibre. 'Cause there were none. So Kiwi do-it-yer-selfer decides to build a .338LM on a K98 action. And you can't tell them. I tried.

Even more worrying than the dickhead who builds it, is the guy who unknowingly buys the potential grenade off him at some later date.

and -actual- k98? Cos that would be fucking stupid.
Not that they're weak, and the bolt lugs have a fair contact patch, but a hot 338 has a fair bit of poke, too. Rather not try my chances at wearing a bolt in the face.

[jasonu]

Lot of money to spend for a rifle that duplicates a old 7.62x39 AK/SK?

Less than $700 all in and far from an AK replica.

[jasonu]

Taking care of vermin Merican style.