The firearm thread

[Akzle]

Cocaine and Hookers?

terribly blasé

[Hans]

So, here's a question: I know some of the shadier characters on here like to play with black powder and the likes. Who has experience with having unprimed brass sent over from Australia? I have just shelled out (horrible pun, kill me now) a pretty penny for some obscure and unusual brass as a present for the old man. The manufacturer is giving me the runaround, saying that Aus customs won't allow them to ship. Anyone done this before? Experiences?

[TheDemonLord]

So, here's a question: I know some of the shadier characters on here like to play with black powder and the likes. Who has experience with having unprimed brass sent over from Australia? I have just shelled out (horrible pun, kill me now) a pretty penny for some obscure and unusual brass as a present for the old man. The manufacturer is giving me the runaround, saying that Aus customs won't allow them to ship. Anyone done this before? Experiences?

Apparently there are some issues:

http://www.australianoncefired.net/FAQ.html

*Where do you ship to?
Australia Only . As a NSW based company we will only supply our brass to anywhere in this country . As case supply in NSW is not regulated to just Licensed Gun Owners we do not need a Dealers License nor require a Shooters License from our clients . There are various embargoes and other legal requirements for shipping cases outside Australia so we will not supply to anyone from outside Australia . We also will not ship to known Mail Forwarding services . Any attempt or request to breach a trade embargo will be reported to the Australian Customs Service .

and

http://www.defence.gov.au/ExportCont...armsPermit.asp

any firearm parts, accessories, sights, ammunition, magazines, etc, being exported without firearms;

I suspect that the Australian Government considers spent brass in that category (which seems a little silly)

[Hans]

Sure. This is not even spent brass. It's unprimed casings. I anticipated trouble, so I double checked with the manufacturer whether they've shipped to NZ before and would again. Someone done fucked up, clearly.

[Akzle]

are you buying a bag? ie, to be reloaded and shot? or for "display purposes only"?

at any rate, find a friendly 'strayan. or someone going over...

what cartridge? some of the oddballs 45-70, 25-06, 35, 55 etc can (used to) be had locally.

or can they be fireformed from something else?

[Hans]

Yup. To be loaded and shot. It's definitely stuff that can't be bought here. 80x60r Kropatchek and the likes.

[Akzle]

Yup. To be loaded and shot. It's definitely stuff that can't be bought here. 80x60r Kropatchek and the likes.

me uncle had an 8mm, and someone was reloading for him. this is lower north island, and quite some years ago....
think it was x57 though. i don't know much about em. nice to shoot though.

[nseagoon]

Yeah aussie has absurd laws and absurd people too.

You might actually find either having it sent to a contacts residential address then them forwarding to NZ,

Or booking a seat, flying over then bringing it back in your baggage might be the easiest and possibly cheapest way

[pritch]

That's a pretty unusual round. I used to have one of the cartridges with a wooden "bullet", presumably a drill round. A quick check of the Interwebs shows loaded rounds for sale in the US but of WW2 vintage - and probably dificult to import.

[Akzle]

you got me curious.

apparently prvi (PPU headstamp) do factory loads.

8x60 can be formed from 30-06 brass... lee have dies in their catalogue for 8x56R hungarian, 8x57 mauser and 8mm lebel (x50mm)
just looking, of those i'd say mauser is closest with the shoulder angle... which means you could blow the shoulder forward from x57 rounds for cases with a short neck... course that means you have to find x57 loads here...

and if it's a .323 bore, sierra carry pills from 150 to 220gn, nothing specifically listed for a .318 but i imagine you'd be pretty safe chucking .311 (7.9) slugs down it... which gives you 125 - 180 gn options.

[pritch]

you got me curious.

apparently prvi (PPU headstamp) do factory loads.

8x60 can be formed from 30-06 brass... lee have dies in their catalogue for 8x56R hungarian, 8x57 mauser and 8mm lebel (x50mm)
just looking, of those i'd say mauser is closest with the shoulder angle... which means you could blow the shoulder forward from x57 rounds for cases with a short neck... course that means you have to find x57 loads here...

and if it's a .323 bore, sierra carry pills from 150 to 220gn, nothing specifically listed for a .318 but i imagine you'd be pretty safe chucking .311 (7.9) slugs down it... which gives you 125 - 180 gn options.

Nah. That R makes a big difference I don't see how you could turn a rimless case into a rimmed one. (Or 'flanged' for Brits of a certain age.)

[Akzle]

Nah. That R makes a big difference I don't see how you could turn a rimless case into a rimmed one. (Or 'flanged' for Brits of a certain age.)

those are the lebels. x57 and x60 are both rimless.
there is also x60R and RS chanberings

[pritch]

They were supposed to be Kropatscheck. The base on the one I had way back wasn't actually flat, it was sorta convex. You can just about see that on the base of the two to the right partticularly the top one.

[Akzle]

They were supposed to be Kropatcheck. The base on the one I had way back wasn't actually flat, it was sorta convex.

o right. yes yes. kropatchek (8x56R) was predecessor to lebel.(8x50R)

[pritch]

It looks as if the US Army has fucked up majorly. Don't just take the word of the dude in this link, there is other similar information on Youtube but he sums up the problem. I'm still having trouble with the idea that Sig was the budget option.

There may yet be big paydays for lawyers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGxDIG514g