The firearm thread

[husaberg]

why, do they limit petrol sales to 100ml as there are arsonists can get hold of it?
what about cell phones, they must contribute to a fair few deaths on the road each year but they don't bother with policing that shit....

Firearms imports number many thousands each year. But we don’t actually know how many guns there are in New Zealand. Estimates range from 1.2 million to two or three million.

We only have 50,000 farms, about 7,000 people in the military 9000 in the police force.
Police said they believe there are around 1.5 million guns in New Zealand. There are around 230,000 licensed firearms owners.
Thats 15 Guns each? Sounds a little excessive?
According to Doc there are only 50000 active hunters in NZ.

[AllanB]

why, do they limit petrol sales to 100ml as there are arsonists can get hold of it?
what about cell phones, they must contribute to a fair few deaths on the road each year but they don't bother with policing that shit....

Sorry Jelly but your comparisons are very poor, although I understand the point you are making. Petrol is used by just about every person (or they travel in something using petrol), ditto cell phones.

Guns are not in a comparable number of homes or hands. And guns of the nature used to slay 50 plus persons really have no relevance in New Zealand other than the military or police.

[jafagsx250]

You lot better get ready to hand over all your guns to the tooth fairy.

The better pay for them then.

Good.
WTF does anyone in NZ need a automatic multi round gun designed for the forces need for private use?
To make them feel better about their small dick?

They are semi automatic. Only the military is allowed operating full auto.

There's sports and hunting uses.

True. The PM said she was sure that there would be a change to firearms laws, probably before she had any idea what the current laws are.

Despite what some here have said there are legitimate reasons for owning a military semi auto. Farmers in areas with a goat problem use them. They are not shooting for sport they are trying to kill the whole herd before thay escape back into the bush. There are sporting competitions that use them, although those might now be endangered species.

The Australians had a buy back programme. Be interesting to see how the government reacts to the budget estimate for a similar programme here.

Our society has changed and as someone else said, the chardonnay socialists in government probably don't even know anybody who owns a gun. There's a large number of single mums and others who know nothing about guns except what they've seen on TV, and that's all bad. As ranges have been closed and access to areas suitable for shooting have gone so the numbers of participants have dropped.

Still, outside the city limits most houses still have a gun. It's just another farm tool and people who don't have one can piss their neighbours off.

The buy back cosy hundreds of millions. We have more semis and more valuable ones. People are spitting the dummy about taxes. Do you think they will be happy to pay for them?

Sorry Jelly but your comparisons are very poor, although I understand the point you are making. Petrol is used by just about every person (or they travel in something using petrol), ditto cell phones.

Guns are not in a comparable number of homes or hands. And guns of the nature used to slay 50 plus persons really have no relevance in New Zealand other than the military or police.

Why are you so quick to give up freedoms and let the police have a monopoly on the things you want to ban. After all they are just people like you and me.

[husaberg]

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The buy back cost hundreds of millions. We have more semis and more valuable ones. People are spitting the dummy about taxes. Do you think they will be happy to pay for them?

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The gun licences are already highly subsidised by the tax payer. Expect that to change.
5.5 Million Dollars a year already.

Firearms owners comprise about 5 to 6 percent of the population. Their activities are subsidised by the taxpayer. For example, while each licensed firearms owner must pay $126.50 once every 10 years for a standard A Category licence (to own rifles, shotguns etc.) the actual cost to NZ Police of administering the entire licensing system is over $11 million per year. More than half of this is paid by the taxpayer. The cost to Police of administering firearms imports is entirely absorbed by the police budget - no fee is charged for administering applications to import firearms, restricted weapons or firearms parts.
‘Because taxpayers are subsidising firearms owners, it’s time for taxpayers to have more of a say in firearms policy and law’, according to Russell. "Current systems are not working and we are thinking about the 50 or so gun suicides that occur each year, as well as the people shot this week in Christchurch."
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/03/1...to-stand-aside

[jafagsx250]

The gun licences are already highly subsidised by the tax payer. Expect that to change.
5.5 Million Dollars a year already.

I know. It's one of the ways they'll be using to try and reduce the numbers. If people can't afford to be legal then don't be surprised if there are grey guns. You need to encourage compliance with the law.

[husaberg]

I know. It's one of the ways they'll be using to try and reduce the numbers. If people can't afford to be legal then don't be surprised if there are grey guns. You need to encourage compliance with the law.

Yes but if you make sure the penalties for the grey gun receiving and selling is strong enough this shouldn't become an issue, No one wants to spend 10 years in prison for the sake of a few dollars.
Also if you know where the guns are, You end up with a better system then we have now. Plus it has to be user pays.
There will always be criminals. but in NZ they actually tend to use cheap weapons such as 22's or shotguns according to the stats.


three years and four months was not enough for illegally supplying the weapon used in a murder.
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-c...sed-kill-woman.

[pritch]

I have stayed away from the news, too many people talking about things they know nothing about.

Last night I saw a discussion among journalists on social media. The topic was panic buying of semi automatics. There was no doubt in their mind that this was happening once the suggestion was made. Never mind that you need a special endorsement to buy a military style semi automatic. The endorsement requires interviews with about five different people, and the chances of getting the endorsement between the PMs announcement suggesting a law change Friday and last night was absolutely zero. Exactly where all those guns were being purchased on a Sunday wasn't made clear either.

Sure something like that was alleged to have happened in Florida after the nightclub shooting there, but NZ is not Florida.

Oh, and on the buy back option. Following the buy back exercise in Australia somebody bought some surplus computers from the police. The drives had not been properly cleared and it was apparent that there were instances of multiple surrenders of the same firearm. Say I take my old shitter in to the station and Constable Bob gives me the money. I then go to the back door, he gives me the gun back and I give him half the money. We arrange to meet next Friday. Nice little earner. Then again NZ isn't Oz either.

[husaberg]

I have stayed away from the news, too many people talking about things they know nothing about.

Last night I saw a discussion among journalists on social media. The topic was panic buying of semi automatics. There was no doubt in their mind that this was happening once the suggestion was made. Never mind that you need a special endorsement to buy a military style semi automatic. The endorsement requires interviews with about five different people, and the chances of getting the endorsement between the PMs announcement suggesting a law change Friday and last night was absolutely zero. Exactly where all those guns were being purchased on a Sunday wasn't made clear either.

Sure something like that was alleged to have happened in Florida after the nightclub shooting there, but NZ is not Florida.

Oh, and on the buy back option. Following the buy back exercise in Australia somebody bought some surplus computers from the police. The drives had not been properly cleared and it was apparent that there were instances of multiple surrenders of the same firearm. Say I take my old shitter in to the station and Constable Bob gives me the money. I then go to the back door, he gives me the gun back and I give him half the money. We arrange to meet next Friday. Nice little earner. Then again NZ isn't Oz either.

4 of the 5 The guns obtained were "as sold" not military style category. likely all of them were not, 4 were purchased recently from Gun city.
From what i can find he had either 1 or 2 military style assault rifles, 2 shotguns and a bolt action rifle.
Earlier the PM had said some all were brought legally, and some were modified post purchase.

"I've informed the police that Gun City sold the alleged gunman four category A firearms and ammunition," Tipple said. "All Gun City sales to this individual followed a police verified online mail order process.

Ar15's can be sold as non military style A cat provided certain conditions are met.

Central to the dispute was the classification of the AR15 semi-automatic rifle – one of the weapons used in Friday's terror attack.
The lightweight rifle is available for purchase with a standard rifle licence provided it has a magazine capacity no greater than seven bullets, and no free-standing pistol grip.

The killer obtained it seems larger mags likely online he could also probably get the other parts needed to convert it back to military style.

Only last year the police challenged this and was threatened by legal action form the Gun owners lawyer

Last year, he vowed to take court action against police after a denied import application for semi-automatic rifles and parts.
Central to the dispute was the classification of the AR15 semi-automatic rifle – one of the weapons used in Friday's terror attack.
The lightweight rifle is available for purchase with a standard rifle licence provided it has a magazine capacity no greater than seven bullets, and no free-standing pistol grip.
An AR15 with a free-standing pistol grip, or a larger magazine, is deemed a military style semi-automatic rifle (MSSA) and requires the more rigorously inspected "E-Cat" firearm licence.
Tipple's lawyer, Nicholas Taylor, said police refused the importation of AR15 rifles able to be purchased with a standard licence, arguing the rifles were "born as MSSAs".

If he wasnt able to have large mags its highly unlikely he would have been able to cause the same amount of carnage so quickly.

[jasonu]

I have stayed away from the news, too many people talking about things they know nothing about.
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haha oh the irony.

PS would Husa or anyone else please quote this so the silly old know it all cunt can see it...

[jasonu]

he could also probably get the other parts needed to convert it back to military style.

From what style????

[sidecar bob]

From what style????

That other kind of pointless thing that guns do?

[husaberg]

From what style????

Civilian style and small mag long barrel.
this is what they look like they mod the receiver to get around the rules re pistol grip.
They have been removed from the site i see.
I think there was another version without the pistol grip altogether looked like a M14

I never even knrew the not quite a pistol grip was legal judging by GUn city taking them off the site maybe they are having second thoughts themselves
Ps Pritch Jason says hi.........

[Swoop]

A disgusting and vile act by one Aussie. Unbelievably traumatic to all the victims and their families, and our deepest sympathies to everyone affected.

It is interesting that this scum was mobile in his car (possibly to another location??) when the plod captured him. I doubt he intended to be caught alive, so well done those two cops!

You lot better get ready to hand over all your guns to the tooth fairy.

That approach will cost billions of taxpayer dollars, but that will not stop these politicians.
Edit: Certainly well into the millions. "Billions" results from the cost of a registry system (re: Canada's failure).

I'd be surprised if any of the current labour govt have a firarms licence between them, what would they know about guns?

Coupled with the greens, who a vehement haters of any type of firearm...

True. The PM said she was sure that there would be a change to firearms laws, probably before she had any idea what the current laws are.

It was interesting to see her stating "A ban on semi auto's" immediately. No consultation. No judicial process. Nothing, just her personal view will be mandatory.
A sad day for legal process too.

[sidecar bob]

It was interesting to see her stating "A ban on semi auto's" immediately. No consultation. No judicial process. Nothing, just her personal view will be mandatory.
A sad day for legal process too.

It's basically a Dictatorship. Don't forget that come next election

[jellywrestler]

Sorry Jelly but your comparisons are very poor, although I understand the point you are making. Petrol is used by just about every person (or they travel in something using petrol), ditto cell phones.

Guns are not in a comparable number of homes or hands. And guns of the nature used to slay 50 plus persons really have no relevance in New Zealand other than the military or police.

nor have cars over 1200cc without towbars, they kill people too, way more than 50 along the years.