The firearm thread

[JimO]

if it gets some of the guns out of circulation then there are that many less available to be stolen or sold on the black market.

that will make the ones already on the black market worth more

[Honest Andy]

The estimated budget is $100-200 million. Which is still a lot, but, if it gets some of the guns out of circulation then there are that many less available to be stolen or sold on the black market.

Yep, chuck as many in the bin as we can.
Still fucks me off though. I remember having this discussion 30 years ago and we all decided MSSAs were a waste of time and pretty useless for what we were doing (ducks, deer, rabbits, possums) but still they were allowed and so for 30-odd years people have been making money out of importing them.
Oh well.

[sidecar bob]

that will make the ones already on the black market worth more

Absolutely, that's just a fact. Firearms that "don't exist" are worth considerably more.

[onearmedbandit]

Try 1 to 4 billion dollars. You have to pay market price for them otherwise compliance will be low. And it won't reduce the amount of guns in the market. Cos people will just buy more with the new money.

Oh, and I wonder where they are going to find ~1-2 Billion dollars to fund this buy back.

Industry experts (like gun shop owners as an example) would argue your figures are significantly over blown.

[TheDemonLord]

The estimated budget is $100-200 million. Which is still a lot, but, if it gets some of the guns out of circulation then there are that many less available to be stolen or sold on the black market.

There's an approx 600,000 rifles that are now Cat-E (including my own) - most cost more than $1000 (Mine is worth around $3k) - so the Maths does not add up.

[jafagsx250]

Time to go to the range, Put up a target, enjoy it while it lasts.

Oh, and I wonder where they are going to find ~1-2 Billion dollars to fund this buy back.

Can't. Ranges don't allow previously a cat Semis as they are now an unregistered MSSA. If you have E endorsements and E rifles then it's OK.

The estimated budget is $100-200 million. Which is still a lot, but, if it gets some of the guns out of circulation then there are that many less available to be stolen or sold on the black market.

That's delusional figures. Considering that Australia bought 700,000 odd guns back in a generous price. When there less and less valuable items. It'll be far more than they paid.

Yep, chuck as many in the bin as we can.
Still fucks me off though. I remember having this discussion 30 years ago and we all decided MSSAs were a waste of time and pretty useless for what we were doing (ducks, deer, rabbits, possums) but still they were allowed and so for 30-odd years people have been making money out of importing them.
Oh well.

If you think that they'll stop at Semis then you're wrong. It never ends.

Industry experts (like gun shop owners as an example) would argue your figures are significantly over blown.

If they're saying 2500 per MSSA. Which is a low ball figure considering how much they cost then it isn't.

[TheDemonLord]

Can't. Ranges don't allow previously a cat Semis as they are now an unregistered MSSA. If you have E endorsements and E rifles then it's OK.

Did you get confirmation on that? As I understand that we still have a grace period?

[jafagsx250]

Did you get confirmation on that? As I understand that we still have a grace period?

All Nzda ranges are like that now.

It is foolish to go hunting with a prior to now legal a cat semi.

The cost to our credibility and your court costs are too great to risk it. I am taking my bolt. Even though I wanted to get a deer before the gun grabbers get their dirty mitts on it.

[jasonu]

Think again, the gun licence system is already 50% propped up by the tax payer in NZ as it is.
The average of $12 a year is not enough.
Why does the tax payer need to support the gun licence costs and administration?
The right wing ideals of the NRA, are for user pays for bang bang.
Shooting in NZ is a recreational activity for 99.9% of the licence holders.



If its for a purely recreational activity for a small percentage of the population why would the greater proportion of tax payers want or be expected to fund it.
MNZ competition licences are not proped up by the government, nor are Cams licences for those you wish to race cars.
Or even for explosives licences they are user pays.
We have hunting agencies like fish and game that promote this.
Its the Same with DOC hunting permits



https://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-re...unting-permit/

How much money does the tax payer kick in to yachting, Commonwealth and Olympic games training etc and wankby?

[jasonu]

There's an approx 600,000 rifles that are now Cat-E (including my own) - most cost more than $1000 (Mine is worth around $3k) - so the Maths does not add up.

What do you get for $3k in NZ?

[sidecar bob]

I'd really love the govt to come & pay me retail for a bunch of used equipment from my home.
Reality is that people will be dragging non operational old rubbish out in order to get a wee windfall from the Govt.
Who is going to set the prices?

[TheDemonLord]

What do you get for $3k in NZ?

DPMS AR-10 + Aftermarket stock + Carbine Length Buffer Tube + Spare Magazines

(all with NZ Prices)

[TheDemonLord]

All Nzda ranges are like that now.

It is foolish to go hunting with a prior to now legal a cat semi.

The cost to our credibility and your court costs are too great to risk it. I am taking my bolt. Even though I wanted to get a deer before the gun grabbers get their dirty mitts on it.

Guess I'm going to have to find a mates place with a Berm then.

[husaberg]

How much money does the tax payer kick in to yachting, Commonwealth and Olympic games training etc and wankby?

They are real sports that normal well adjusted people watch.
these sports are not hobby level like 99.99% on the NZ assault rifle use is. They are top level athletes not adults playing bang bang.
They bring prestige to NZ on a global scale.
The semi auto Assault rifles used brought the sort of international attention no one needs or wants.


I have no idea who wankby is? was it one of Trumps press secretaries i lost track of all their names.


PS for the buy back its fair market value not what you paid for it? then made second hand.
So any idiot confusing buying retail and then thinking they can get the same price selling back second hand might want to lower their expectations to meet the reality of the situation.
Also they are buying back the rifle not the upgraded, scopes etc.

[pritch]

It's an ill wind and all that. If the experience here mirrors that of Australia, gunshops should prepare for a sales boom. Many shooters in Australia handed in their newly illegal guns then promptly went out and bought a new one that was legal.

I don't think I have anything that will be caught up in the buy back, but in the event that's wrong, I'll treat myself to a new rifle.