The firearm thread

[Wolf]

I'll be dead, and the revolver will still look more elegant.

Yep, you would be - most elegant corpse in the bone orchard.

Personally I'd have a basic blued good-quality modern 9mm semi-auto over the most elegantly decorated Colt Single Action Army any day, but to each their own.

[jrandom]

Personally I'd have a basic blued good-quality modern 9mm semi-auto over the most elegantly decorated Colt Single Action Army any day, but to each their own.

I wouldn't ever want to carry one if a weapon was a daily requirement. Neither would I want to commute to work by horse and cart.

But they do look lovely, and feel sweet in the hand.

[Wolf]

But they do look lovely, and feel sweet in the hand.

Yep, they do.

I'm personally partial to the engraved and gold-inlaid oak-leaf-patterned Walthers - P-38, PPK and P99 would be my picks.

I've always preferred the look of a semi-auto over a revolver, for some reason. Well, many semi-autos: there have been some right ugly specimens over the years that I don't like the look of (think of Webley and most WWII Japanese pistols) - there are squat, ugly, starkly-utilitarian and badly-made revolvers out there that look waaaaaaaaay better than a Webley or a Nambu...

The sleek lines of Luger, Lahti, P-38, PP/PPK, P5, P99... mmmmm

And the old "broomhandle" Mauser looks delightfully quaint.

[scumdog]

Gimme a Glock17 any day.

Fired 1,000s or rounds through them and never had a 'fails to function'.

And no safety etc appeals too - nothing to jam/forget.

[Mr Merde]

OK you have the revolver and I'll use the MP5 ready standby standby... boo. Who looks the most elegant now ?

As you chose the weapons can i choose the distance.

I choose 150 meters and the SAA in .44 mag.

Very accurate to 100+ meters

MP5 effective distance 30-50 meters.

More people have been killed with a single well place bullet than the most modern gun spraying out hundreds of rounds.

Horses for courses.

Elmer Keith with a .44 caliber 3" barreled revolver was capable of hitting targets out to 600+ yards.

MP5's are great for close up and dirty work.

I personally have shot 4" groups at 300 yards with a pistol that had a 10" barrel. Back when I was fit and had good eyesight. I have also taken the Fig 12 military target (head and shoulders) out at 600 and 900 yards with the same pistol and a lot of Kentucky windage.


Mr

[Mr Merde]

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And no safety etc appeals too - nothing to jam/forget.

What about the trigger safety !

How many ill trained persons have pulled the pistol from a holster while putting their finger inside the guard and lightly touching this safety. Result a bullet in the thigh,

I know of two incidents at the Ardmore range both involving police officers where this happened.

Still a good gun though. It does the job it was designed for and does it well.

Mr

[Mr Merde]

As another log on the fire consider this

In 1840 something the Colt company produced the Walker model.

.44 caliber ball on top of 60 gns by volume of Black powder.

The revolver was so heavy it was carried on holsters on the saddle.

It was also considered by the Texas Rangers, for whom it was produced, to have great accuracy and hitting power out to a distance of 200 yards.

Modern guns are still really only shooting to this distance. Why else do all rifle tests only happen at 100 yards/meters.

What we have now is lighter bullets, higher velocities, mass produced firearms and modern materials.

Most firearm designs arent even new. Most of them date back 100 years plus.

[deanohit]

Most firearm designs arent even new. Most of them date back 100 years plus.

Shows they were a good design then. I would rather have a time proven and improved old design than something state of the art. I have read about all sorts of guns fitted with electronic triggers and other dark magic, but timewise they wont beat most of the old mechanical guns. Mind you its horses for courses and these new weapons do have their place.
I still prefer a traditional rifle or revolver with a some beautiful woodwork and dark bluing.

[scumdog]

What about the trigger safety !

How many ill trained persons have pulled the pistol from a holster while putting their finger inside the guard and lightly touching this safety. Result a bullet in the thigh,

I know of two incidents at the Ardmore range both involving police officers where this happened.

Still a good gun though. It does the job it was designed for and does it well.

Mr

And that is with the New York trigger - about a gazzilion pounds of pressure to fire it!

Still the world is full of people like that, people that forget their disc-lock is on their bike, people who forget to remove the hose at the petrol pump, people who drive for 20ks with the handbrake on... it takes all sorts.

Me? I just treat all firarms in my hands as 'hot' and give them the respect needed. (What the hell use is an unloaded weapon anyway?).

[Mr Merde]

And that is with the New York trigger - about a gazzilion pounds of pressure to fire it!

Still the world is full of people like that, people that forget their disc-lock is on their bike, people who forget to remove the hose at the petrol pump, people who drive for 20ks with the handbrake on... it takes all sorts.

Me? I just treat all firarms in my hands as 'hot' and give them the respect needed. (What the hell use is an unloaded weapon anyway?).

I agree with you here mate.

The idiot factor rears its head everywhere.

I've been reading a book lately

"Sixguns" by Elmer Keith.

There was one comment in it that stuck in my head.

He kept every gun in house (and he had lots of them) , loaded.

His wife and children and all guests had that impressed upon them.

He never had a problem with the idiot factor.

He agreed with your statement in brackets.

"What the hell use is an unloaded gun?"


Chris

[Swoop]

I know of two incidents at the Ardmore range both involving police officers where this happened.

Any relevance with the closing of SoA???

(What the hell use is an unloaded weapon anyway?).

When held by the barrel they can be useful for hammering in nails... apparently.

[Korumba]

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do
not."
Thomas Jefferson


FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore
the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no
safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs easier and
safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control
them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create
slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun
control.

26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

[jrandom]

I disagree with the American attitude that every man has a right to be armed. It's patently obvious that unfit and unworthy individuals exist in great number.

[Wolf]

I disagree with the American attitude that every man has a right to be armed. It's patently obvious that unfit and unworthy individuals exist in great number.

Right with you there. That's why we have firearms safety tests in order to get a licence.

Consequently, we have had relatively few firearms-related accidents and fewer nutters-with-guns.

Now if the illegal possession could be clamped down on under existing laws rather than more restrictions brought in for those of us who obey the law...

[ManDownUnder]

Now if the illegal possession could be clamped down on under existing laws rather than more restrictions brought in for those of us who obey the law...

If that happened it would imply something considerably more fantastic had happened....

... the arrival of common sense into the debating chamber...