The firearm thread

[husaberg]

Opinions will vary.

Funny but irrelevant as yours is clearly wrong
Unless you don't believe the SKS is capable of having a larger mag fitted, desspite of it obviously being capable of doing so with a few minutes of unskilled work.

[Swoop]

Funny but irrelevant as yours is clearly wrong
Unless you don't believe the SKS is capable of having a larger mag fitted, desspite of it obviously being capable of doing so with a few minutes of unskilled work.

My (and your) opinion is irrelevant, as the government (& plod) will decide.


I'm looking at my 5rnd SKS and know it is not capable of being fitted with a "detachable box magazine".

[AllanB]

Interesting. I don't know guns just watching the above disagreement.

So what's this shit - 10 round pined to 5? what's the point?

https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com...l#.XJiCPPkzbIU

[husaberg]

My (and your) opinion is irrelevant, as the government (& plod) will decide.


I'm looking at my 5rnd SKS and know it is not capable of being fitted with a "detachable box magazine".

The Goverment drew the legislation is very clear the SKS doesn't meet it suck it up.

MSSAs include: semi-automatics capable of being used with a detachable magazine with more than five cartridges; and semi-automatic shotguns capable of being used with a detachable magazine holding more than five cartridges

3. What semi-automatic firearms are affected by Thursday's Order in Council?
Two types of firearms are now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs):
A semi-automatic firearm capable of being used with a detachable magazine which holds more than five cartridges
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...church-attacks
2. What semi-automatic firearms will NOT be affected by the ban?
There is a balance to be struck between public safety and legitimate use. The changes exclude two general classes of firearms which are commonly used for hunting, pest control, stock management on farms, and duck shooting:
Semi-automatic .22 calibre rimfire firearms with a magazine which holds no more than ten rounds
Semi-automatic and pump action shotguns with a non-detachable tubular magazine which holds no more than five rounds

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Interesting. I don't know guns just watching the above disagreement.

So what's this shit - 10 round pined to 5? what's the point?

https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com...l#.XJiCPPkzbIU

Without watching it some of the game laws restrict mag capasicity to a certain number
one of the ways arround it was to put in packers like bottle tops to take up the space.
they just list mag size but dont use terms like "capable"

the whole idea od the new gun laws is to help to prevent an idiot getting a semi auto with a large mag and running amok
Yet still idiots like to think but i want my bang bang.

[Laava]

Interesting. I don't know guns just watching the above disagreement.

So what's this shit - 10 round pined to 5? what's the point?

https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com...l#.XJiCPPkzbIU

No it's not that. It's a top loading in situ mag that only takes 5. In the field all your ammo is on clips so you just press the ammo in and throw the clip away

[husaberg]

No it's not that. It's a top loading in situ mag that only takes 5. In the field all your ammo is on clips so you just press the ammo in and throw the clip away

I assumed he was meaning this

[Swoop]

I assumed he was meaning this

No. That is a non-compliant "bodge job".

The metal mag-well is the same, but is cut down completely so that ~5-10mm protrudes from the bottom of the wooden stock.
The rounds are still loaded down from the top, through the action, but the mag only holds 5rnds.

There will be hundreds of these in the country in this condition. Remember back in the 90's when container loads arrived and you could pick one up on a normal firearms licence for ~$250-?

[husaberg]

No. That is a non-compliant "bodge job".

The metal mag-well is the same, but is cut down completely so that ~5-10mm protrudes from the bottom of the wooden stock.
The rounds are still loaded down from the top, through the action, but the mag only holds 5rnds.

There will be hundreds of these in the country in this condition. Remember back in the 90's when container loads arrived and you could pick one up on a normal firearms licence for ~$250-?

If you watched the video its not for nz or anything other than a hunting rule,in this case it must only be fitted with a certain capascity mag, do keep up.
A SkS is no longer legal in NZ as a A cat. The rules are if its "capable" of having a large mag fitted it is not A cat.no mater how you try and frame it.

[jasonu]

If you watched the video its not for nz or anything other than a hunting rule,in this case it must only be fitted with a certain capascity mag, do keep up.
A SkS is no longer legal in NZ as a A cat. The rules are if its "capable" of having a large mag fitted it is not A cat.no mater how you try and frame it.

'Capable' in its current condition or after someone has fucked with it?

[husaberg]

'Capable' in its current condition or after someone has fucked with it?

Capable means just that, if there is 10 different YouTube videos and multiple different large capacity magazines available for the express purpose of fitting them to a sks. It is clearly capable.
one minute to convert a SKS to take a 30 or 75 round mag



The only reason to keep pushing the “no the SKS assault rifle is okay” is a clumsy attempt by a selfish dick to try and get around the rules.
Which in case you missed was to fix the previous one that was saying assault rifles were okay as long as the pistol grip was separate and the mag was under x bullets. The rule didn’t work as the suppliers just changed the stocks to suit and sold the large mags separate. So 50 people are dead in case you missed it.
The large capacity magazines are sold with the purpose of being fitted to the SKS.
here is 14 of them
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/cate...gazines/sks.do

"No gunsmithing required this is a drop in part."

https://www.guncity.com/sks-duckbill...s-steel-232962

7 round
https://www.guncity.com/sks-7.62x39-...agazine-338852

"Note an e cat licience is required"

[TheDemonLord]

Capable means just that, if there is 10 different YouTube videos and multiple different large capacity magazines available for the express purpose of fitting them to a sks. It is clearly capable.

The only reason to keep pushing the “no the SKS assault rifle is okay” is a clumsy attempt by a selfish dick to try and get around the rules.
Which in case you missed was to fix the previous one that was saying assault rifles were okay as long as the pistol grip was separate and the mag was under x bullets. The rule didn’t work as the suppliers just changed the stocks to suit and sold the large mags separate. So 50 people are dead in case you missed it.

So, by that logic, all Metal and Metal-working tools are now Cat-E items, as they are 'capable' of making an MSSA....

[husaberg]

Here we are weeks later still we have people moaning like little bitch's about losing access to owning a gun they never even needed in the first place.
Its well past the time you should have figured out why its a stand NZ as a whole is taking.
No different than our stand condemning the French terrorists who bombed the Rainbow Warrior or the Nuclear free zone we made in and around New Zealand.

The change in NZ law is about lives, not money or some pathetic weapon you want to have for pose value or fun.
NZ doesn't have a right to bear arms in its constitution. Nor do you need a semi auto Military style assault rifle, you mealy want one.
People in NZ can still continue own a firearm as a privilege, to hunt with, as a hobby or sport or collecting.
But simply as a result of 50 innocent people getting killed recently in the mater of minutes by a total loser, you longer have that privilege anymore to own a military style semi Automatic anymore on a A cat licence.
Even one without a large mag or a butt-stock that's modified in the effort to get around the no pistol-grip rule.
Its over.
For those that continue on moaning. Man up and face facts. ITS OVER.

[Carboncaster]

They may change Act later to include rifles like the SKS, but the order in council is clear and the courts are bound to interpret all laws and regulations conservatively so as not to extend powers of the State beyond the letter of the law and the intention of Parliament.

An SKS sold as an A-Cat 5-round fixed magazine rifle cannot take a detachable magazine in standard form and has to be (now) illegally converted/modified before it is capable of fitting a detachable magazine and so fall within the new classification of an MSSA. Converting any A-Cat to MSSA regardless of the definition of what an MSSA is at the time, has always been illegal. Just as sawing off a shotgun is an illegal modification that turns it into a prohibited weapon. Just as now putting a magazine holding more than 10 rounds on to .22 now makes by definition an MSSA when 15 rounds used to be the limit.

The words used is "capable of", not "capable of, or capable by modification of" and the ease of difficult with which it is rendered capable isn't the issue. It either capable is or it isnt.

[jasonu]

They may change Act later to include rifles like the SKS, but the order in council is clear and the courts are bound to interpret all laws and regulations conservatively so as not to extend powers of the State beyond the letter of the law and the intention of Parliament.

An SKS sold as an A-Cat 5-round fixed magazine rifle cannot take a detachable magazine in standard form and has to be (now) illegally converted/modified before it is capable of fitting a detachable magazine and so fall within the new classification of an MSSA. Converting any A-Cat to MSSA regardless of the definition of what an MSSA is at the time, has always been illegal. Just as sawing off a shotgun is an illegal modification that turns it into a prohibited weapon. Just as now putting a magazine holding more than 10 rounds on to .22 now makes by definition an MSSA when 15 rounds used to be the limit.

The words used is "capable of", not "capable of, or capable by modification of" and the ease of difficult with which it is rendered capable isn't the issue. It either capable is or it isnt.

Well said that man.

[TheDemonLord]

Here we are weeks later still we have people moaning like little bitch's about losing access to owning a gun they never even needed in the first place.
Its well past the time you should have figured out why its a stand NZ as a whole is taking.
No different than our stand condemning the French terrorists who bombed the Rainbow Warrior or the Nuclear free zone we made in and around New Zealand.

The change in NZ law is about lives, not money or some pathetic weapon you want to have for pose value or fun.
NZ doesn't have a right to bear arms in its constitution. Nor do you need a semi auto Military style assault rifle, you mealy want one.
People in NZ can still continue own a firearm as a privilege, to hunt with, as a hobby or sport or collecting.
But simply as a result of 50 innocent people getting killed recently in the mater of minutes by a total loser, you longer have that privilege anymore to own a military style semi Automatic anymore on a A cat licience.
Even one without a large mag or a buttstock that's modified in the effort to get around the no pistol-grip rule.
Its over.
For those that continue on moaning. Man up and face facts. ITS OVER.

'needed' is such a loaded term, there's plenty of things that kill far more New Zealanders, every year, than Semi-Automatic Firearms that we don't 'need' - Should we ban all of those too?

Or is the definition of Need highly subjective, based on the individuals stance on an issue.

Saving Lives? If the ban on Semi-Autos meant that there would never be any Terrorist attack, of any type in the future (Using legally acquired means or illegally acquired means) - then I might agree. But as history shows quite clearly, it does not.

And no, it's Not over.