The firearm thread

[Swoop]

While watching that item on the news last night the depressing thought occurred that very few of those polled would have known what the firearms laws were, and even less would know what they are now. OK though, they've got an opinion.

It's easy to "poll" people who have absolutely no knowledge of a specific field yet who are able to be influenced by mass hysteria generated by the media. A bit like polling people on a machine that goes "bing" in a hospital surgery... leave the decisions to people who actually know about the things.

Possibly the M&P15-22, which since it's not a subcalibre conversion kit, and so can't be converted back to centre-fire, appears to be Legal under the new laws.

I'm perplexed to the 10/22 which is "OK" under the new rules... yet can be converted easily.
A poor set of rules has been drawn up. Anyone watch Mike Loader's submission? He spoke well and certainly made valid points contradicting a lot of utter bullshit put forward by politicians and the police association.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm perplexed to the 10/22 which is "OK" under the new rules... yet can be converted easily.
A poor set of rules has been drawn up. Anyone watch Mike Loader's submission? He spoke well and certainly made valid points contradicting a lot of utter bullshit put forward by politicians and the police association.

Perplexed is an Understatement - They've deliberately made it vague enough to potentially cover anything - this quote from Mr Nash sums it up really:

"I admit that does not look like the sort of stock-standard pistol you'd imagine. It looks like a very scary weapon."

He said he doesn't "particularly" like the idea of such weapons being sold in this country.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

COLFO is getting a legal opinion on the legislation, about 3 weeks way. It’s written in such a broad way, that the devil will be in how it’s interpreted.
Total FUBAR, after the mass shooting in Norway, their legislatures did nothing for a year, to let emotion subside, and to look at the situation logically.
But the Govt had to be seen to done something, I guess.
On a side note, how do you like all the armchair experts, who a month ago wouldn’t have known an ‘assault rifle’, if it bit them, suddenly offering opinions in the media ?

[husaberg]

On a side note, how do you like all the armchair experts, who a month ago wouldn’t have known an ‘assault rifle’, if it bit them, suddenly offering opinions in the media ?

Unlike of course the armchair legal opinions on forums?
COLFO submission a few years ago on Gun laws in NZ was cut copied and pasted from the NRA.
https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...e9bc22727ef15d
I would suggest you read it and see how wrong it actually was

The amount of ammunition held is speculative at best. A deer hunter may only hold 40-80
rounds at any one time. A varmint shooter, carrying pest destruction may hold thousands of
rounds at a time as it is cheaper to buy in bulk. A target shooter, firing hundreds of rounds a
week may hold tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

I would say the reason it was done so fast was to make sure the gun lobby didnt have enough time to be able to buy a reprieve
The NRA is spending 100's of millions of dollars each US election, why do you think that is?

By the way where there is any ambiguity in the law it always favours the defendant

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Unlike of course the armchair legal opinions on forums?
COLFO submission a few years ago on Gun laws in NZ was cut copied and pasted from the NRA.
https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...e9bc22727ef15d
I would suggest you read it and see how wrong it actually was


I would say the reason it was done so fast was to make sure the gun lobby didnt have enough time to be able to buy a reprieve
The NRA is spending 100's of millions of dollars each US election, why do you think that is?

By the way where there is any ambiguity in the law it always favours the defendant

The NRA is bankrupt ?
Looks like they’re going to lose their tax exempt status also.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.
The organization’s leadership is focussed on external threats, but the real crisis may be internal.

This winter, members of the National Rifle Association—elk hunters in Montana, skeet shooters in upstate New York, concealed-carry enthusiasts in Jacksonville—might have noticed a desperate tone in the organization’s fund-raising efforts. In a letter from early March, Wayne LaPierre, the N.R.A.’s top executive, warned that liberal regulators were threatening to destroy the organization. “We’re facing an attack that’s unprecedented not just in the history of the N.R.A. but in the entire history of our country,” he wrote. “The Second Amendment cannot survive without the N.R.A., and the N.R.A. cannot survive without your help right now.”

LaPierre is right that the N.R.A. is troubled; in recent years, it has run annual deficits of as much as forty million dollars. It is not unusual for nonprofits to ask prospective donors to help forestall disaster. What is unusual is the extent to which such warnings have become the central activity of the N.R.A. Even as the association has reduced spending on its avowed core mission—gun education, safety, and training—to less than ten per cent of its total budget, it has substantially increased its spending on messaging. The N.R.A. is now mainly a media company, promoting a life style built around loving guns and hating anyone who might take them away.
Marc Owens, who served for ten years as the head of the Internal Revenue Service division that oversees tax-exempt enterprises, recently reviewed these records. “The litany of red flags is just extraordinary,” he said. “The materials reflect one of the broadest arrays of likely transgressions that I’ve ever seen. There is a tremendous range of what appears to be the misuse of assets for the benefit of certain venders and people in control.” Owens added, “Those facts, if confirmed, could lead to the revocation of the N.R.A.’s tax-exempt status”—without which the organization could likely not survive.

[husaberg]

The NRA is bankrupt ?
Looks like they’re going to lose their tax exempt status also.

If they are bankrupt it as a result of spending 100's of millions of dollars to support pro gun lobby candidates.
I am pretty sure no one has held a gun to their heads to do this.

[TheDemonLord]

On a side note, how do you like all the armchair experts, who a month ago wouldn’t have known an ‘assault rifle’, if it bit them, suddenly offering opinions in the media ?

You mean like the PM?

[RDJ]

She doesn't know an Armalite from an 'assault' rifle, but she surely knows how to virtue-signal globally.

[Laava]

She doesn't know an Armalite from an 'assault' rifle, but she surely knows how to virtue-signal globally.

But surely that is also a far better virtue than some Rambo-wannabee who can just go and buy an AR15 and then lose his shit. Might have been a bit different if it had happened at your kids kindergarten eh? Personally have no sympathy for these gun owners other than they do stand to lose out a bit financially. But it is only on their toys, it is not like the government is ripping the shirts off their backs or the food out of their kids mouths. Some of these people I am close friends with and it is interesting to see how angry they are.
But it is a good start IMO.

[Swoop]

Isn't it nice to know that the blue gang is securely storing the confiscated firearms in an appropriate manner?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12225566

It is also good to see the knowledge of the district plod who stated "one of the fireams was illegal". Stupid bint. She doesn't appreciate that the gubbinment made them ALL illegal and turned law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight.




Couple that with the gang shooting at the Auckland Harley Fergusson stealership today and the nation has its headlines for the evening news.

[pritch]

Isn't it nice to know that the blue gang is securely storing the confiscated firearms in an appropriate manner?

I suspect that the Police are relying heavily on the idea that nobody will break into a Police station. Unfortunately it's not at all uncommon for criminals to be inside Police stations.

[onearmedbandit]

Isn't it nice to know that the blue gang is securely storing the confiscated firearms in an appropriate manner?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12225566

It is also good to see the knowledge of the district plod who stated "one of the fireams was illegal". Stupid bint. She doesn't appreciate that the gubbinment made them ALL illegal and turned law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight.




Couple that with the gang shooting at the Auckland Harley Fergusson stealership today and the nation has its headlines for the evening news.

Quite possibly only one of them was illegal though? The other ten could’ve been legal firearms seized from unlicensed owners?

[jasonu]

Isn't it nice to know that the blue gang is securely storing the confiscated firearms in an appropriate manner?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12225566

It is also good to see the knowledge of the district plod who stated "one of the fireams was illegal". Stupid bint. She doesn't appreciate that the gubbinment made them ALL illegal and turned law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight.




Couple that with the gang shooting at the Auckland Harley Fergusson stealership today and the nation has its headlines for the evening news.

Haha I saw that and here is the reaction from the head Fuzz.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12225566
What a joke.

[husaberg]