The firearm thread

[Katman]

Epic "as you pointed out earlier" but dude you only have one post, and this is it, So if you said anything earlier it was on your other log in.

There you go again - living up to the quote in my signature.

[husaberg]

There you go again - living up to the quote in my signature.

I appear to be living in your head fulltime. As there you go again being the Number 1 husaberg fanboi.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131129063
Don't worry stevo there wasn't enough narcissism or homosexual undertones to be your Alt log in.
But as you are trying to make yourself out as having a modicum of intelligence maybe you would point out where in the post of his zero previous posts where he siad he would rather the money be spent on roading.

Hmmm... Graystone, it seems to me that you are not grasping relativity here. Be honest, objective and not too proud to admit that there is another side to the coin and please don't be a last worder.

The statistics show that more people get killed by illegal owned firearms than by legally owned firearms. As such this whole buy-back is going to achieve exactly zilch since the criminals are not going to give up their firearms (as reported in the news)

This buy back is just throwing your and my tax money away with a nil result in respect of saving lives. It is done just because "it feels good" and gets votes from the anti-gun lobby.

The anti-gun lobby cannot seem to understand the hunters putting the firearms to excellent use in controlling pests in our forests. They have never seen a whole paddock suddenly come alive with thousands of rabbits eating a farmers' crop that you will need for food. They have not seen the devastation that goats can do in the forests. Uncontrolled pests will only result in astronomical food prices and you want to stop this control of pests.

The anti-gun lobby is driven by those who live in the city.

The reality is that the city dwellers are just miles apart in perception in regards to firearms than those who live in the countryside.

As I pointed out earlier - I rather see the money spend on this to improve our road system and/or compliance with road rules (I see drivers overtaking in a blind corner or over the double yellow lines) and/or our health system. Just ask yourself: how many people die each year by legally owned firearms and how many people get killed by road accidents? So where would the money be better spend? There is no bottomless pit of tax income! You want that the government wisely spends your tax money that you and I worked so hard for.

Whats even funnier is you have not expressed an opinion on the subject of the thread, anyone would think you are only following people around.

[Katman]

But as you are trying to make yourself out as having a modicum of intelligence maybe you would point out where in the post of his zero previous posts where he siad he would rather the money be spent on roading.

Did you miss this one?

I do not understand why that cop who was told about a nutter at the gun club did nothing. He should be charged as an accomplice to murder.

The money for the buyback should be better spend on more oversight and better education of the cops and more feet on the ground rather than hiding behind a tree for catching a speeder on a straight road. Would save a lot more lives to get drunks and druggies from the road.

[TheDemonLord]

Terrorists use firearms in more attacks, and kill more people with them than they do trucks. Thus it makes no sense to say if firearms are banned, trucks (class 2 and above) should be too, based on numbers or popularity of the weapon.

So, excluding countries that have either active conflicts (such as Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel etc.)

I count approximately 15 Truck based Terrorist attacks in the last 10 years

I count 4 terrorist attacks using Firearms in the same time period.

The Death tolls are harder to calculate - as a lot of the shooting attacks also included Suicide Bombings.

But again - the point was to show (which you kindly did) that you treat Trucks differently from Firearms in the first place - you prejudice Firearms based on the intent of Creation, in a way you don't do for other objects that are (in NZ) demonstrably more dangerous (more fatalities per year per item).

And you still can't be honest about it.

Not all firearms are banned, in fact the recent 'ban' could more accurately be described as a tightening of regulations, as (and correct me if I'm wrong) such 'banned' firearms (a small percentage of all firearms) can still be owned with an e-cat endorsement.

You are wrong, E-Cat no longer exists. People that were highly vetted, had their Firearms Registered with the Police and NEVER, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE E-CATEGORY SYSTEM COMMITTED A MURDER WITH THOSE FIREARMS have lost their ability to own - everything that the Police/public have asked for, the E-Cat holders did and they never committed any crime, so why are they being punished?

If the law change was simply re-defining all Semi-Autos as E-Cat, that would have been acceptable, but no, E-Cat has been removed.

And a Small Percentage? The Ban is conservatively estimated to impact around 400-600,000 Firearms of the estimated 1.5 Million in NZ hands.

It's a Ban.

My interpretation of the justification for the ban, is by removing such firearms from circulation, they become harder to procure, for lawful or unlawful use. Thus it is illogical to say removing firearms from lawful owners will not have any affect on who owns them unlawfully. Obviously an assumption here is that the black market for firearms in NZ comes from the firearms once being purchased through lawful channels.

Except the Criminals never had any issue acquiring Firearms illegally, so on what basis do you presume that post-ban they will have any trouble? As per previous posts - there is an active Black Market in Australia for Semi-Autos and they banned them over 20 years ago.

All this will do is punish law-abiding citizens.

[TheDemonLord]

Epic "as you pointed out earlier" but dude you only have one post, and this is it, So if you said anything earlier it was on your other log in.
PS rabbits aren't eating crops , the areas with rabbit issues, are not cropping areas, It is the dryland extensive pastoral areas, that have Rabbit issues.
No one shoots rabbits with a AR15 unless they are an idiot.Nor does the statistics or the outcomes you suggest exist in anywhere but your mind.

PS since when has Tauraunga been a rural area.

Posts made in Off Topic don't count towards your Post count....

Only posts made in the other part of the site.

People shoot Goats with ARs
People also use ARs with sub-calibre conversion kits to Shoot Rabbits.

[jasonu]

I appear to be living in your head fulltime. As there you go again being the Number 1 husaberg fanboi.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131129063
Don't worry stevo there wasn't enough narcissism or homosexual undertones to be your Alt log in.
But as you are trying to make yourself out as having a modicum of intelligence maybe you would point out where in the post of his zero previous posts where he siad he would rather the money be spent on roading.



Whats even funnier is you have not expressed an opinion on the subject of the thread, anyone would think you are only following people around.

Fuckwit as usual.

[aNZBloke]

No one shoots rabbits with a AR15 unless they are an idiot.Nor does the statistics or the outcomes you suggest exist in anywhere but your mind.

As I understand is that .22 which can hold more than 10 rounds are also affected. And I did not say that rabbits were hunted with an AR15.

And what gives you the idea that I only ever lived in Tauranga? I moved here for retirement!

[pritch]

And what gives you the idea that I only ever lived in Tauranga? I moved here for retirement!

I've only visited Tauranga twice and both times the traffic was diabolical. Spending a hard earned retirement (or otherwise) sitting stationary stuck in traffic is not an appealing thought.

[Pound]

You are wrong, E-Cat no longer exists. People that were highly vetted, had their Firearms Registered with the Police and NEVER, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE E-CATEGORY SYSTEM COMMITTED A MURDER WITH THOSE FIREARMS have lost their ability to own - everything that the Police/public have asked for, the E-Cat holders did and they never committed any crime, so why are they being punished?

This is exactly what I would define as a "Knee jerk reaction".......


Much like the lowering of the alcohol limit driving tolerance, this is only going to hurt the overwhelming majority of law abiding citizens, and will do absolutely nothing to solve, or even minimize the issue at hand.

[husaberg]

Did you miss this one?

Kind of Odd those words weren't there before then................
Hes still now only had three posts now
Yet posts like hes been here forever. If i was a conspiracy theorist like you my tin foil tingling

SO where is your position on the gun laws or are you just too scared to give it? Most suspected you were a taker.

As I understand is that .22 which can hold more than 10 rounds are also affected. And I did not say that rabbits were hunted with an AR15.

And what gives you the idea that I only ever lived in Tauranga? I moved here for retirement!

You talked a load of crap about stuff you clearly know little about. Are you sure you are not Katman?
There is about 10 people or less in NZ that need an ar15 or a 22 with a larger mag.

[Katman]

Kind of Odd those words weren't there before then................

They've been there since 19.02 on May 13th.

[TheDemonLord]

There is about 10 people or less in NZ that need an ar15 or a 22 with a larger mag.

And who are they?

How have you determined their need?

But let's cut the BS - you are talking out of your arse.

[pritch]

There is about 10 people or less in NZ that need an ar15 or a 22 with a larger mag.

Not so. Sheep farmers in rough(ish) country can have a serious goat problem. They aren't shooting for sport, they want to get as many of the goats as possible before they escape back into the bush. That takes a suitable calibre and a largish mag: SKS, Type 56, Ruger Mini 14, etc. All illegal now of course.

[jasonu]

There is about 10 people or less in NZ that need an ar15 or a 22 with a larger mag.

How do you know that? Do you know them?

[husaberg]

How do you know that? Do you know them?

Yes i do know a few of them they work for DOC here on the Coast.
They have a literal "flying" squad.

All the argument that will be made are rubbish same as the anti 1080 ones, For which Katspam has only recently jumped on the bandwagon declared himself to be a (non) expert.
All those same hunters who claim to need a non legal firerm were thr ones dead against using poison to get the noxious feral animals, yet now shooting with non legal firearms is the only way.............

Not so. Sheep farmers in rough(ish) country can have a serious goat problem. They aren't shooting for sport, they want to get as many of the goats as possible before they escape back into the bush. That takes a suitable calibre and a largish mag: SKS, Type 56, Ruger Mini 14, etc. All illegal now of course.

Not for properly licenced owners who have a Genuine need rather than a want.
The law has provisions for this.
99% of the farmers i know with feral goat issue Goats muster and sell them live, What about the ones you know. Hint they are worth nothing dead......

So where is your position on the gun laws or are you just too scared to give it? Most suspected you were a taker.

Katman no answer from you again what are you scared of It cant just be appearing to be hypocritical?
Its the 10 time i have asked you?