The firearm thread

[jasonu]

Yes i do know a few of them they work for DOC here on the Coast.

But you said 10 people in the whole country. Where are the rest or are you pulling shit out of your behind as usual?

[husaberg]

But you said 10 people in the whole country. Where are the rest or are you pulling shit out of your behind as usual?

Do you know why i refered to them as the literal "FLYING SQUAD"
Do you know where most of the culls and most of the pest control is done from in NZ for DOC, hint you apparently do not.
WHat i find hillarious is all the reasons that you guys keep coming up with are utter horse dung that you know nothing about.
For instance TDL's AR10 was his toy it was never by his own admission used to kill any feral goats deer cattle or rabbits.
Yet know it was a essential tool for pest control. Its utterly hilarious
Juat as funny as Katman posting in this thread and refusing to answeer questions.
You are all urbanite who clearly know nothing about farming.
Almost as funny when katman who wouldn't know one end of a beast from the other posted about how all the rodeo bulls are tormented and tortured and sent immediately to the works after a rodeo.

[aNZBloke]

There is about 10 people or less in NZ that need an ar15 or a 22 with a larger mag.

You have never thought about getting caught out in the undergrowth with a wild board charging you and having only a bolt action rifle with no bullet up the spout. Because at that moment you wish you had that semi automatic that holds more than a few cartridges.

And this happened to a close friend of mine.

There are plenty of anecdotes of Vietnamese having been shot umpteen times and still charging the soldiers and it takes quite a lot to stop that boar.

FYI: You do not know what and where I hunted....

[husaberg]

You have never thought about getting caught out in the undergrowth with a wild board charging you and having only a bolt action rifle with no bullet up the spout. Because at that moment you wish you had that semi automatic that holds more than a few cartridges.

And this happened to a close friend of mine so it is not made up.

There are plenty of anecdotes of Vietnamese having been shot umpteen times and still charging the soldiers and it takes quite a lot to stop that boar.

FYI: You do not know what and where I hunted....

Cool story bro do you have more...Adding in the vietnam flashback and the scene for what becomes of the broken hearted was a nice touch it won me over.
Tell me again what your other alternative log in is?
You are up to 4 posts now and its like you have been here forever.........join date 13th May
I wonder who was sin binned around that time...............

[jasonu]

Do you know why i refered to them as the literal "FLYING SQUAD"
Do you know where most of the culls and most of the pest control is done from in NZ for DOC, hint you apparently do not.
WHat i find hillarious is all the reasons that you guys keep coming up with are utter horse dung that you know nothing about.
For instance TDL's AR10 was his toy it was never by his own admission used to kill any feral goats deer cattle or rabbits.
Yet know it was a essential tool for pest control. Its utterly hilarious
Juat as funny as Katman posting in this thread and refusing to answeer questions.
You are all urbanite who clearly know nothing about farming.
Almost as funny when katman who wouldn't know one end of a beast from the other posted about how all the rodeo bulls are tormented and tortured and sent immediately to the works after a rodeo.

So you don't know the 10 people and you are pulling shit out of thin air.

[TheDemonLord]

For instance TDL's AR10 was his toy it was never by his own admission used to kill any feral goats deer cattle or rabbits.
Yet know it was a essential tool for pest control. Its utterly hilarious

It was going to be used for Deer Hunting, Deer are a Pest.

I didn't finish building the Rifle, was going to be getting an aftermarket for-end, Harris Bi-pod and an after-market drop-in trigger. By which time I aimed (pun intended) to have my marksmanship up to the point where I'd feel confident in Hunting.

It was not a Toy - otherwise, why would I choose that over an AR-15? More expensive Ammo, Less part availability etc. I choose it because a .308 round is widely recognized as a suitable round for humanely hunting Deer.

But keep telling people lies.

[husaberg]

So you don't know the 10 people and you are pulling shit out of thin air.

Do i need to know all the names or the fact thats all that is needed even by feds ?

Efficiently controlling these pests in large numbers requires the use of semi-automatic firearms with large magazine capacity. Although not allowing the use of these specialised firearms by a select number of farmers, we were pleased that the bill was amended to allow their use on private property by professional pest control contractors.

Note Fed said some of the rules were disappointing in not allowing for farmer exceptions, not it was an impossible situations. Which is what all you people who are not farmers nor professional hunters not even likely keen hunters are now trying to make out.

Federated Farmers is concerned that even these amendments will disadvantage landowners who are faced with these pests in high numbers.
"Instead of doing the pest control themselves as part of their farming business, as many have done for decades, farmers will instead have to rely on contractors and all of the risks and costs that come with outsourcing an important task of this type,

Exemptions
The following categories of exempt persons will be able to apply for an endorsement and permit to possess prohibited items.
Exemption categories
A licensed dealer, or an employee or agent of a licensed dealer.
A bona fide collector of firearms.
A person to whom a prohibited item has special significance as an heirloom or memento.
A director or curator of a bona fide museum.
An approved employee or member of a broadcaster (within the meaning of the Broadcasting Act 1989) or a bona fide theatre company, society, cinematic, television film production company, or video recording production company.
A person who is employed or engaged by the Department of Conservation and involved in operations for the purpose of controlling wild animals or animal pests. (In accordance with the Wildlife Act 1953, the Wild Animal Control 1977, the Conservation Act 1987, or the Biosecurity Act 1993)
A person who is the holder of a concession granted by the Minister of Conservation to undertake wild animal recovery operations (In accordance with the Wildlife Act 1953, the Wild Animal Control 1977, the Conservation Act 1987, or the Biosecurity Act 1993)
A person who is employed or engaged by a management agency as defined in section 100 of the Biosecurity Act 1993 and involved in operations for the purpose of controlling wild animals or animal pests in accordance with that Act.
A person whose sole business, or a substantial part of whose business, is providing services to control prescribed wild animals or animal pests, or a person employed or engaged by that person for that purpose. Prescribed animals are wild deer, chamois, tahr, wild pigs, wild goats, wallaby, feral rabbit, feral hare, and Canadian Geese.

Hint the law has changed but on your big boy pants and get on with life. Anyone who doesnt like the law we have in NZ can either form a political party or either move to or stay in the USA like you do Jason. Otherwise tough shit.

[aNZBloke]

It was going to be used for Deer Hunting, Deer are a Pest.

I choose it because a .308 round is widely recognized as a suitable round for humanely hunting Deer.

At least one of the choppers flying out from Opotiki into the Te Urewera or Raukumera Forest would be using the AR10 to shoot deer. A .223 would not do it. That's before they started live recovery with nets and before farming deer. There were so many deer that you would see them on the road when driving through the Waioeka Gorge.

[pritch]

There are plenty of anecdotes of Vietnamese having been shot umpteen times and still charging the soldiers

I have not heard those anecdotes, nor do I know what soldiers you refer to; definitely not Kiwis, they had SLRs.

[husaberg]

I have not heard those anecdotes, nor do I know what soldiers you refer to; definitely not Kiwis, they had SLRs.

Even the 161's

but this one shows they were aquired by a few at least

[Graystone]

So, excluding countries that have either active conflicts (such as Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel etc.)

I count approximately 15 Truck based Terrorist attacks in the last 10 years

I count 4 terrorist attacks using Firearms in the same time period.

The Death tolls are harder to calculate - as a lot of the shooting attacks also included Suicide Bombings.

But again - the point was to show (which you kindly did) that you treat Trucks differently from Firearms in the first place - you prejudice Firearms based on the intent of Creation, in a way you don't do for other objects that are (in NZ) demonstrably more dangerous (more fatalities per year per item).

And you still can't be honest about it.



You are wrong, E-Cat no longer exists. People that were highly vetted, had their Firearms Registered with the Police and NEVER, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE E-CATEGORY SYSTEM COMMITTED A MURDER WITH THOSE FIREARMS have lost their ability to own - everything that the Police/public have asked for, the E-Cat holders did and they never committed any crime, so why are they being punished?

If the law change was simply re-defining all Semi-Autos as E-Cat, that would have been acceptable, but no, E-Cat has been removed.

And a Small Percentage? The Ban is conservatively estimated to impact around 400-600,000 Firearms of the estimated 1.5 Million in NZ hands.

It's a Ban.



Except the Criminals never had any issue acquiring Firearms illegally, so on what basis do you presume that post-ban they will have any trouble? As per previous posts - there is an active Black Market in Australia for Semi-Autos and they banned them over 20 years ago.

All this will do is punish law-abiding citizens.

List them out, I can add at least 15 terrorist attacks to the 4 you found which used guns in the last ten years.

How would you not treat trucks different to firearms? Pretty hard to drive a revolver... There is no prejudice based on the idea of creation, I have simply evaluated the use/misuse of the tools.

I stand corrected, however I still see the ban as a good thing, one which does not impair the practicalities of firearms use, obviously it does impeded free choice, but I see this as justified, in the interests of public safety.

Do you have a source for the 400-600k firearms affected? I have not seen that figure before...

The basis is that of supply, less of a thing in circulation reduces supply. This law change will reduce the number of these firearms in circulation. Sure, it won't completely remove them from the black market, but driving the cost up, and availability down will make it harder for deranged fuckwits to obtain.

[pritch]

Even the 161's

Or 105s? I doubt that was taken in Vietnam, those rifles wouldn't be much bloody use they've got no mags.

OK I checked and it supposedly was taken in Vietnam. There are a number of odd things in that picture I will enquire further.

[husaberg]

Or 105s? I doubt that was taken in Vietnam, those rifles wouldn't be much bloody use they've got no mags.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...am/nz-arty.htm
161 was the battery number i did find some other photos see previous post. the cover one they are removing the mags for the flight by the look of it.
It was meant to be taken there.
Dont know what the engineers had when they arrived. but i would like to think it was less unweildly than a SLR?

Here is a owen by the look of it?

[pritch]

Your pics raise a number of questions, some of which I have referred on.

That original 161 pic was taken very eary in the piece, so early that I'm not sure they actually realise where they are. They seem to think they are still in Waiouru. Later similar photos definitely show the rifles with mags in place.

I'm now told the artillery people did actually have some heavy barrel SLRs. That is not an infantry weapon. Sure the gunners are not infantry but those weapons would have been oddball in Vietnam, I'd have thought they had M60s the same as everybody else.

The book cover: Those guys are SAS, most in that pic have M16s but there appears to be one SLR. The SAS SLRs were often "hotrodded", full auto option with 30 shot mags and some may have had the flash hider removed.

That other B&W pic: there are things I like and some that seem odd. The gunner and his number two would be expected to have several hundred rounds of linked belt ammo each, everybody else a 100 round belt, yet none do I see. Infantry SLRs had carrying handles and sling swivels removed, and again some had 30 round mags.

You seem to have a gift for finding oddball pics.

[TheDemonLord]

List them out, I can add at least 15 terrorist attacks to the 4 you found which used guns in the last ten years.

Christchurch, Charlie Hebdo, Paris Attacks, Mumbai Attacks.

How would you not treat trucks different to firearms? Pretty hard to drive a revolver... There is no prejudice based on the idea of creation, I have simply evaluated the use/misuse of the tools.

That depends on your a priori viewpoint - you talk of use/misuse, but in an NZ context, there are fewer trucks than firearms and more deaths due to trucks than Firearms - how does that fit into your evaluation?

You might argue that there is a public need for Trucks in a modern Society, fine - but in NZ there is a public need for private Pest Control - so when you remove all other factors that have a degree of parity between the 2 inanimate objects, you are left with the Stigma that a Firearm is a Weapon, designed to kill.

Which is why your statement that about you not considering them comparable in the first place was accurate and the entire point, but even now, you can't acknowledge your bias against Firearms.

I stand corrected, however I still see the ban as a good thing, one which does not impair the practicalities of firearms use, obviously it does impeded free choice, but I see this as justified, in the interests of public safety.

Of course you do, it's entirely in line with your ideological outlook...

You talk of public safety (so, at least you accept that was the stated reason for the ban, glad you agree), tell me - when no lawfully held E-Cat, Registered Firearms were used to commit a murder in nearly 30 years are banned - how does that improve public safety?

Or does it simply improve the feeling of public safety?

Do you have a source for the 400-600k firearms affected? I have not seen that figure before...

Various estimates by COLFO and David Tipple (Owner of Gun City) - however, that is an estimate for Semi-Autos only, not including all the repeating rifles with internal magazines that hold more than 10 rounds (that are now also illegal)

The quoted figure is from here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/chr...uy-back-option

Which is 600,000 semis, out of a 1.2 Million estimate firearms. So, not 'a small percentage'

The basis is that of supply, less of a thing in circulation reduces supply. This law change will reduce the number of these firearms in circulation. Sure, it won't completely remove them from the black market, but driving the cost up, and availability down will make it harder for deranged fuckwits to obtain.

How'd that work out for the Drug Trade?