View Poll Results: Which firearm types do you own?

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  • Shotgun (single, double, pump, lever, bolt)

    289 31.76%
  • Shotgun Auto (non MSSA)

    96 10.55%
  • Rifle (single, double, pump, lever, bolt)

    407 44.73%
  • Rifle Auto (non MSSA)

    177 19.45%
  • MSSA

    66 7.25%
  • Pistol

    78 8.57%
  • Black powder (rifle, pistol, shotgun)

    35 3.85%
  • Air/Gas (pistol, rifle)

    312 34.29%
  • un-armed

    305 33.52%
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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    Oh a stuff poll.

    HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


    Yea 95% confidence level that they polled all their ragging liberal/ dimented lefty readers.


    Fucking hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Are you sure you aren't Russian? Your England is seriously loose.

    Do svitania
    It turns out he cant read English or tell the difference between Stuff reporting on a Colmar Brunton poll and actually creating a poll.
    Maybe when he moved from Auckland to Rotorua he upped the amount of lead in his diet.
    Hes seems to have reached a new level of ineptitude.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Yip ,all true, but unfortunately you cant be sure what the bill will be for the buy back, as there is a critical lack of information.
    also it has to many other unknown variables, we don't know how many guns there is, nor their condition, nor what type they are, let alone how many will be handed in.
    I dont care what it costs as long as it is a one of and doesn't get diluted but future governments.
    Also when you have someone borrowing 250 million dollars a day to pay the running costs of a country someone should be in jail not being given a knighthood. how many days is it for the cost of the gun buy back. less than a week.
    their isn't enough scrutiny or checks and balances placed on our governments certainly a few would not get away with the decisions they make elsewhere.

    So the Govt jump in without much thought but a lot of rash promises (and a few veiled threats) to fix a problem they created by their own ineptness and inexperience?

    And use a wide sword for a narrow problem that shouldn't have been there.

    And think they can succesfully run the country?

    Dream on if you thing they can.

    Oh and the cop bosses ain't too sharp or trustworthy in this pigs arse of an event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    So the Govt jump in without much thought but a lot of rash promises (and a few veiled threats) to fix a problem they created by their own ineptness and inexperience?

    And use a wide sword for a narrow problem that shouldn't have been there.

    And think they can succesfully run the country?

    Dream on if you thing they can.

    Oh and the cop bosses ain't too sharp or trustworthy in this pigs arse of an event.
    I think you will find it was decades of ineptitude and years of not listening to their own studies and committee and police. that lead to this.
    In the last review of gun laws the minister only implemented about 2 out of 20 recommendations
    but rememeber right up until this event the Gun lobby were calling our rules best practice and the best in the world, they refused all the changes even theones they proposed after the event.
    the gun shops pushed the AR15 and AR10s and similar with loophole rules only months before the event the Gun city owner was taking the police to court so he could sell more ar15s.
    80% of people back the changes, as do all the Mp's if you don't like it vote for the idiot who voted against it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    80% of people back the changes, as do all the Mp's if you don't like it vote for the idiot who voted against it.
    Most of those people wouldn't have a clue, probably have had nothing to do with guns in their lifetime and just buy into the "guns bad" argument, you only have to look at the threads on facebook to see there's a huge amount of people with zero understanding

    MP are going to vote for it to suck up to the public
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    MP are going to vote for it to suck up to the public
    And they will pay for it at the next election!!

    Vote NEW CONSERVATIVE!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Most of those people wouldn't have a clue, probably have had nothing to do with guns in their lifetime and just buy into the "guns bad" argument, you only have to look at the threads on facebook to see there's a huge amount of people with zero understanding

    MP are going to vote for it to suck up to the public
    Well if the people dont know and the politicians don't know either, how smart was the gun lobby telling everyone just imediately prior to the killing of 50 people.
    That our Gun laws were the best in the world and they resisted any change to them at all. Then suddenly they were not.
    Those same MPs who you say are just sucking up to the public, never voted on the changes for the last 20 plus years.
    If the Gun sellers hadn't have bent the rules and did everything in their power to circumvent the spirit of the laws brought in after Aramomoana perhaps we wouldnt be needing to have this discussion.
    Most people consider banning assault riffles such as AR!5's a good idea when they have no practical use for 99% of their owners.
    If you dont like the way democracy works start your own country where only people that agree with you can vote.
    Simply put, you can piss an moan as much as you like at me but the reason the law was changes was a fuckwit with a gun licence and a legally purchased rifle and magiziness killed 50 Innocent people in the time it took for you to read this post



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Well if the people dont know and the politicians don't know either, how smart was the gun lobby telling everyone just imediately prior to the killing of 50 people.
    That our Gun laws were the best in the world and they resisted any change to them at all.
    Except for the fact that Jacinduh changed the laws in december 2018 that actually made it even easier for Tarrant to obtain the weapons he did...... All rather convenient.


    And here we are 7 months later listening to you shill about what a great idea it all is.


    Shills are gunna shill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    Except for the fact that Jacinduh changed the laws in december 2018 that actually made it even easier for Tarrant to obtain the weapons he did...... All rather convenient
    Ooh, do you think she was involved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Ooh, do you think she was involved?

    "Ardern was the chair of an executive committee which ushered through changes to arms regulations."

    "I heard from a dealer who phoned up, he was told by local arms officers in Auckland that permits to procure restricted weapons like MSSAs and pistols...now aren't being dealt with by the local arms office - they all have to go to Wellington.

    "That would have been unlawful before the change [in December] because it's specified in the Act that an application for a restricted weapon...has to be done at your local arms office."

    Taylor said applying in person allowed police to assess someone.

    "Quite often I had police officers saying 'your client came in to see me and he was aggro and...saying strange things and acting weirdly'.

    "So you're actually missing out on that very vital step."


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/chr...ribed-as-crazy


    I think she was more than involved I think she has blood on her hands. But like most communists blood washes off easy to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    Oh a stuff poll.

    HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


    Yea 95% confidence level that they polled all their ragging liberal/ dimented lefty readers.

    .

    They're the only ones that will answer. Any self respecting right leaner will tell them to mind their own fucking business.

    Yeah polls what a joke as shown in the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    Except for the fact that Jacinduh changed the laws in december 2018 that actually made it even easier for Tarrant to obtain the weapons he did...... All rather convenient.


    And here we are 7 months later listening to you shill about what a great idea it all is.


    Shills are gunna shill.
    Did she? What happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Ooh, do you think she was involved?
    WHich she.........
    Some are real quick to try and blame one lot without the other.

    Police Minister Paula Bennett has put the public and front-line police officers in danger after rejecting recommendations to tighten firearm controls, the Police Association says.
    Association president Chris Cahill said Bennett had rejected every meaningful recommendation put forward by the Law and Order Select Committee, and had "appeared to bow to the pressure of the gun lobby".
    "The Minister's concern about over the top rules and restrictions on hunters and shooters ignores the reality that New Zealand is awash with firearms and the majority of them are stolen."
    Bennett today responded to the Law and Order Select Committee report on illegal firearms, accepting only seven of 20 recommendations designed to stop criminals getting their hands on guns.
    Bennett rejected most recommendations from the select committee's near year-long inquiry. Five of the committee's nine members are National MPs, and it is chaired by National MP Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi.
    The committee inquiry had caused concern among some gun owners and widespread changes would have been a controversial issue in election year.
    Rejected recommendations include requiring police to record serial numbers of all firearms upon renewal of licence or inspection, requiring a licence to possess ammunition, and making dealers keep records of ammunition sales.
    Bennett also declined to act on the recommendation to investigate the creation of a category of restricted semi-automatic rifle and shotgun.
    1. A firearms licence required to possess ammunition. Reject.
    2. A dealer's licence required to sell ammunition. Reject.
    3. Dealers required to keep records of ammunition sales. Reject.
    4. Registration process for websites facilitating trading in firearms, parts, or ammunition. Partial rejection - not registration but clarify "mail order" process applies to online sales.
    5. Permit to procure extended to cover all sales or transfers of firearms (i.e. include A-category firearms). Reject.
    6. Investigate the creation of a category of restricted semi-automatic rifle and shotgun. Reject.
    7. Implement firearm prohibition orders. Accept.
    8. Codify the "fit and proper" criteria in the Arms Act. Reject.
    9. Implement a stand-down period after licence revocation. Accept.
    10. Clarify that gang members or prospects must not be considered "fit and proper" to possess firearms. Accept.
    11. Require Police to record serial numbers of all firearms upon renewal of licence or inspection of premises. Reject.
    12. Review the penalties in the Arms Act. Accept.
    13. Treat dealer offending as aggravated at sentencing. Reject.
    14. Determine appropriate security standards for A-category licences. Accept.
    15. Secure storage confirmed before licence or endorsement received. Reject.
    16. Allow Police to enter premises to inspect security of A-category firearms. Reject.
    17. Failure to comply with storage regulations to result in mandatory revocation. Reject.
    18. Clarify and publicise the extent of amnesty provisions in the Arms Act 1983. Accept.
    19. Police publicise amnesty provisions. Reject.
    20. Check that firearms brought in on visitors permit are exported or transferred legally. Accept.

    then you have the Gun sellers

    Firearm importers prepare for court battle with police over over semi-automatic rifles
    A stoush over semi-automatic rifles may head to court after claims of a police clampdown.
    Police have refused import applications for AR15 semi-automatic rifles and parts in recent weeks, leaving retailers frustrated and the firearms community concerned.
    Gun City owner David Tipple confirmed he was preparing for court action. He is one of many claiming an unannounced shift in police policy, which police have denied.
    The lightweight rifle is available for purchase with a standard rifle licence provided it has a magazine capacity no greater than seven bullets, and no free-standing pistol grip.
    An AR15 with a free-standing pistol grip, or a larger magazine, is deemed a military style semi-automatic rifle (MSSA) and requires the more rigorously inspected "E-Cat" firearm licence.
    Tipple's lawyer, Nicholas Taylor, said police refused the importation of AR15 rifles able to be purchased with a standard licence, arguing the rifles were "born as MSSAs".
    Dealers elsewhere had received a similar notification from police, he said.
    "You have a rifle that's coming from overseas, which doesn't actually have any of the features that define it as an MSSA, and the police have just decided not to apply the definition of that firearm – that is under the Arms Act – to it."
    Firearm retailer Ken Rountree, owner of NZAR15, is also contemplating court action after having an import application denied.
    "We submitted our permits as per what we'd done in the past ... we'll know more in the next few days exactly what game the police are playing."
    Council of Licenced Firearms Owners (COLFO) chairman Paul Clark said the distinction between standard rifles and MSSAs was a "murky area" where frustrations were coming to a head.
    "The Arms Act has always required an importer to obtain a permit to bring in 'parts' of firearms to New Zealand and a special reason is required to import MSSA parts ... where it is possible that the part could be either for a [standard rifle] or an [MSSA] police is required to seek further clarification about the intended use of the part."



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    ......' requiring a licence to possess ammunition,'

    (Above from the previous post.)

    You already needed a licence to possess ammo

    And: 'but rememeber right up until this event the Gun lobby were calling our rules best practice and the best in the world, they refused all the changes even theones they proposed after the event.' - yet the Government itself weakened the existing procedure to obtain a FAL?

    I've got no issue for a banning of MSSA type weapons but a five shot only Winchester Model 100 and it's ilk? - and bolt action 22s with a 15 shot tube mag? C'mon, THAT is OTT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    ......' requiring a licence to possess ammunition,'

    (Above from the previous post.)

    You already needed a licence to possess ammo

    And: 'but rememeber right up until this event the Gun lobby were calling our rules best practice and the best in the world, they refused all the changes even theones they proposed after the event.' - yet the Government itself weakened the existing procedure to obtain a FAL?

    I've got no issue for a banning of MSSA type weapons but a five shot only Winchester Model 100 and it's ilk? - and bolt action 22s with a 15 shot tube mag? C'mon, THAT is OTT.
    Maybe you should actually read the Law and Order Select Committee report into issues relating to the illegal possession of firearms in New Zealand.

    https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...6269b2427510b9

    The two weapons you refer to are on the prohibited list as they both have magazines available to purchase that hold considerably more than what you state.
    You could have them professionally modified so that they cant hold more than the legal amount of ammunition to comply.
    But the reason the Ar15s were able to be purchased as a A class is exactly the reason why these guns are on the prohibited items now was they had small mags (and faux pistol grips) yetyou could just buy a large capacity mag
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