The firearm thread

[sidecar bob]

Yeah cause gun violence doesn't happen at a much higher rate in the USA with its lax gun laws now or before well duh.

Only the stats show The US have a 50 times higher firearms death rate.
In the US state of Louisiana, with 4.7 million people, 526 people died in a gun-related homicide in 2016.
Where as In New Zealand, also with 4.7 million people, just nine people died in a gun-related homicide in 2016.
So clearly NZ doesn't have a problem, The USA does though. but yeah don't let facts get in the way of what appears to be a delusion that people suffer from that makes them think the USA doesnt have a major gun violence problem.

Whereas I would suggest that unless any country has zero gun related homicides then it has a gun problem.

[husaberg]

Whereas I would suggest that unless any country has zero gun related homicides then it has a gun problem.

Sloppy wording on my behalf the a should be a the.
So clearly NZ doesn't have the problem, The USA does though.

I see the new NZ gun laws are working as predicted. Law abiding citizens hand over their formally legal weapons and the not so law abiding citizens run amok in South Auckland.
Only a total moron could have thought this would have worked.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12261593

Yeah cause gun violence doesn't happen at a much higher rate in the USA with its lax gun laws now or before well duh.

Only the stats show The US have a 50 times higher firearms death rate.
In the US state of Louisiana, with 4.7 million people, 526 people died in a gun-related homicide in 2016.
Where as In New Zealand, also with 4.7 million people, just nine people died in a gun-related homicide in 2016.

Even the small east-coast US state of Delaware, with around 967,000 people, still had a higher number of gun-related homicides in 2016 than New Zealand, with 44 people killed.

So clearly NZ doesn't have the problem, The USA does though. but yeah don't let facts get in the way of what appears to be a delusion that people suffer from that makes them think the USA doesnt have a major gun violence problem.
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Only a complete moron would think all gun violence would stop immediately after a law change that isnt even fully implemented especially given that no one ever said it would eliminate all gun violence, but morons are now claiming look the law change is a failure as it didnt.

[sidecar bob]

The gun collection was held in Auckland several weeks ago.
Great result!

[husaberg]

The gun collection was held in Auckland several weeks ago.
Great result!

So what are you trying to suggest not changing the rules would have maent less gun deaths or are you just trolling... cause it was supported by the vast majority of NZ Also all the MPs other than Seymour. Who was so carried away with using his stance for publicity of his failing party, he forgot to vote.
You do realise not so long ago a guy went and legally brought semi auto rifles on a A class licence and then brought large mags and used them to go out to kill 50 inocent people in a few minutes, the law change was to minimize the chances of this being able to happen ever again, not eliminate all gun deaths or incidents, But dont let that get in the way of the story.

By the way
More than 400 now prohibited guns handed over at Auckland's first buy-back event........
plus 1343 parts and accessories.

An amnesty is in place until late December, and people are urged to hand in their firearms before then.
Police said 2143 people handed in 3275 firearms, and 7827 parts and accessories since the first collection event in Christchurch.

[jasonu]

So what are you trying to suggest not changing the rules would have maent less gun deaths or are you just trolling... cause it was supported by the vast majority of NZ Also all the MPs other than Seymour. Who was so carried away with using his stance for publicity of his failing party, he forgot to vote.
You do realise not so long ago a guy went and legally brought semi auto rifles on a A class licence and then brought large mags and used them to go out to kill 50 inocent people in a few minutes, the law change was to minimize the chances of this being able to happen ever again, not eliminate all gun deaths or incidents, But dont let that get in the way of the story.

By the way
More than 400 now prohibited guns handed over at Auckland's first buy-back event........
plus 1343 parts and accessories.

An amnesty is in place until late December, and people are urged to hand in their firearms before then.
Police said 2143 people handed in 3275 firearms, and 7827 parts and accessories since the first collection event in Christchurch.

How do you know they are all innocent? Do you personally know them all? Did the cops bother to round up the murray gangs and get them to hand over their sawn offs and .22's or is that all too difficult?

[husaberg]

How do you know they are all innocent? Do you personally know them all? Did the cops bother to round up the murray gangs and get them to hand over their sawn offs and .22's or is that all too difficult?

Really i will tell you what, you prove that any off the 50 men women and children that were only praying were doing a single thing that deserved to be shot then, you will have the right to call them anything other than innocent.
After that you can then explain why your own country has a 50 times higher rate of gun violence per capita when gun licence laws have nothing to do with gun violence.
As for the rest, get a life it wasn't a gang with no gun licence that did the killing of the 50, it was a person that was a licences gun owner. Someone that went through a much higher levl of vetting than any gun owner in the US does.
The fact you keep having to suggest stuff that has no relation to the subject to attempt to justify your own countries problems are anything other than an obvious consequences of stupidly lax gun laws.
Your own county is the epitome of stupidity when it comes to gun laws and politics and it seems people.

[sidecar bob]

The gun round up didn't work.
Pretty much anyone I know that knows someone with an illegal firearm that's worth having didn't hand it in, it simply dissapeared.

[husaberg]

The gun round up didn't work.
Pretty much anyone I know that knows someone with an illegal firearm that's worth having didn't hand it in, it simply dissapeared.

pretty much anyone you know that knows someone with an illegal firearm really ......................
There is still time left on the amnesty, when it runs out get your friend of friends friends that know criminal with illegal firearms to dob them in otherwise you are just contributing to the problem.
How do you expect the police to get the guns off criminals if people like you are protecting them.

[sidecar bob]

pretty much anyone you know that knows someone with an illegal firearm really ......................
There is still time left on the amnesty, when it runs out get your friend of friends friends that know criminal with illegal firearms to dob them in otherwise you are just contributing to the problem.
How do you expect the police to get the guns off criminals if people like you are protecting them.

I'm protecting them?, wow, go on. . .
What makes you think they're criminals?
You want to get in Jacinda's good books don't you? That's so cute.

[husaberg]

I'm protecting them?, wow, go on. . .

yes if you claim to know people with illegal firearm and are doing nothing about it, you are clearly protecting them from being caught if the illegal firearm.
In case you missed it people wit illegal firearms that dont comply with the law and hand them in by December are clearly criminals and will be treated as such when they are caught.

[sidecar bob]

yes if you claim to know people with illegal firearm and are doing nothing about it, you are clearly protecting them from being caught if the illegal firearm.

You're a funny fulla.
If Labour had said, "we're doing nothing about it, because that will just make those kind of firearms dissapeared & become valuable" you would have jumped on the bandwagon with that one too.
Don't let Jacinda's do all the thinking for you, have an opinion of your own sometimes too for a change mate.

[husaberg]

You're a funny fulla.
If Labour had said, "we're doing nothing about it, because that will just make those kind of firearms dissapeared & become valuable" you would have jumped on the bandwagon with that one too.
Don't let Jacinda's do all the thinking for you, have an opinion of your own sometimes too for a change mate.

I call BS your lot all tyhe politicians supported the law change as does 80% of NZ.
A15 were never ever needed in NZ nor were high cap mags, nor should they have been sold on a A class, end of story. its nothing to do with goverments its common sense.
If you are going to play the politician card If Paula Benefit had listened to the committee she chose and set up this shit would not even be needed now.
Nor would it be needed if the tories got it right after Aramoana.

[jasonu]

The fact you keep having to suggest stuff that has no relation to the subject to attempt to justify your own countries problems .

Pot kettle

[jasonu]

You're a funny fulla.
If Labour had said, "we're doing nothing about it, because that will just make those kind of firearms dissapeared & become valuable" you would have jumped on the bandwagon with that one too.
Don't let Jacinda's do all the thinking for you, have an opinion of your own sometimes too for a change mate.

Notice there isn't any 'but National' anymore.

[scumdog]

You do realise not so long ago a guy went and legally brought semi auto rifles on a A class licence and then brought large mags and used them to go out to kill 50 inocent people in a few minutes, the law change was to minimize the chances of this being able to happen ever again, not eliminate all gun deaths or incidents, But dont let that get in the way of the story.

By the way
More than 400 now prohibited guns handed over at Auckland's first buy-back event........
plus 1343 parts and accessories.

An amnesty is in place until late December, and people are urged to hand in their firearms before then.
Police said 2143 people handed in 3275 firearms, and 7827 parts and accessories since the first collection event in Christchurch.

So why are bolt action 22 rifles with a 12 shot tube mag being banned?

Or grandads 1905 35 Remington semi auto with non-detachable 4 shot mag also being banned?

The media waffle on about how good it is that MSSA weapons have been banned but tip-toe past the guns such as those above - maybe they dont look 'evil' enough? (whatever evil looks like....?)

And the non-knowing think 'banned guns' just means M15/AK47 type guns - unaware it includes the type I mentioned above.