The firearm thread

[TheDemonLord]

Lets see

You are to scared to give an answer to a simple question.
On whether you have turned in your prohibited weapon.

Scared? No. If I was 'Scared' as you put it, I'd have meticulously gone through and edited every post about it, removing any evidence or mention. I have not.

The simple fact is, you have no right to ask that question and I have no Obligation to answer it. The response you've received is that you can ask me after the 20th of December. Which, given the previous 2 statements is exceedingly generous on my part.

The rest is you making up crap,you are claiming to have some right to ignore the laws of the country you immigrated to.

All I've said is that the process by which the law was changed was clearly undemocratic, and as such I don't consider it to have any validity.

There are many laws throughout History that were broken as part of a Protest, and a good number of them I'll wager you even support the breaking of them - what you are clearly too immature to do, is to argue the Merits of the individual Law, the reason and method it was written and whether or not there are any higher principles that can apply to it.

We are not talking cultural differences here, we are talking breaking the law of NZ.

Oh, so if it's a Cultural Difference it's okay then?

Sweet! It's my Culture not to have my personal Property stolen under the threat of Force. Thanks to Husa, I'm now exempt from the new Law.

Cheers Bud.

yet you expect me to answer all the silly nonsensical questions you put to me.

I only asked one:

Do you feel Safer?

The clear point is that at current rates there will either by a very large supply of Firearms in private hands, held by people with a chip on their shoulder that YOU put there. Or there will be a massive Financial cost, orders of Magnitude larger what was promised.

A Financial cost that would have been better spent on things that what actually make NZ Safer.

You then make up a series of things to accuse me of, which you have no supporting evidence, in order to change the subject.

I've not changed the subject - you started hurling abuse and telling me to get out of your country - I'm pointing out that you've vociferously criticized others who (according to you) espouse the same statements.

You are simply projecting your own failings onto others and in an attempt to call them a hypocrite, that's classic Katmanisms.
I would have thought you have more substance, but obviously not.

Not at all, You've told a Migrant that if they don't like something they should leave. The Same statements you regularly attribute to the likes of Trump, Robinson etc. and when they say it, they are evil racist, xenophobes. So which is it?

Face it, you've caught yourself in your own Hatred.

Doubly funny when you claim to have substance, yet have curiously not attacked any of the figures or points I made - One might point out that it is you who lack substence, since you went straight for the Ad Hominem.

[TheDemonLord]

I found it ironic that the police commissioner described semi autos as ‘evil’, conveniently forgetting that those are the very firearms the police use.
Double standard, much ?

And loose.
And Negligently Discharge.
And get stolen.

It would be interesting to see a comparison between the number of breaches of the 7 Basic Firearm safety rules by Police vs the Public.

Given how small the Police force is (16,000), I wouldn't be surprised if statistically, they breached those rules more than Joe Public.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm hearing numbers around 300,000 and possibly an expected 200,000 handed in during the confiscation. Obviously the "authorities" will know the exact figures since THEY granted importation permits for everything entering the country...

I don't think the hand in numbers will be that high - talking to friends in Australia, that they were being paid above what they had paid for it incentivized people to comply, but even then - the best case estimate is 80% compliance - word on the grapevine is that the high-end stuff was retained and many of the beat-up SKS and Ruger .22s were traded in for a profit.

Even then though - 66% compliance, with 100,000 Firearms in the hands of people that have now been made Criminals by a retroactive law change - that doesn't make me feel safer.

Quite the opposite in fact.

[husaberg]

Scared? No. If I was 'Scared' as you put it, I'd have meticulously gone through and edited every post about it, removing any evidence or mention. I have not.

The simple fact is, you have no right to ask that question and I have no Obligation to answer it. The response you've received is that you can ask me after the 20th of December. Which, given the previous 2 statements is exceedingly generous on my part.



All I've said is that the process by which the law was changed was clearly undemocratic, and as such I don't consider it to have any validity.

There are many laws throughout History that were broken as part of a Protest, and a good number of them I'll wager you even support the breaking of them - what you are clearly too immature to do, is to argue the Merits of the individual Law, the reason and method it was written and whether or not there are any higher principles that can apply to it.



Oh, so if it's a Cultural Difference it's okay then?

Sweet! It's my Culture not to have my personal Property stolen under the threat of Force. Thanks to Husa, I'm now exempt from the new Law.

Cheers Bud.



I only asked one:

Do you feel Safer?

The clear point is that at current rates there will either by a very large supply of Firearms in private hands, held by people with a chip on their shoulder that YOU put there. Or there will be a massive Financial cost, orders of Magnitude larger what was promised.

A Financial cost that would have been better spent on things that what actually make NZ Safer.



I've not changed the subject - you started hurling abuse and telling me to get out of your country - I'm pointing out that you've vociferously criticized others who (according to you) espouse the same statements.



Not at all, You've told a Migrant that if they don't like something they should leave. The Same statements you regularly attribute to the likes of Trump, Robinson etc. and when they say it, they are evil racist, xenophobes. So which is it?

Face it, you've caught yourself in your own Hatred.

Doubly funny when you claim to have substance, yet have curiously not attacked any of the figures or points I made - One might point out that it is you who lack substence, since you went straight for the Ad Hominem.

I recall now why so many have you on ignore.
I will no longer converse with you if you refuse to answer what is a simple yes no question.
You dont like a law change well tough its what the law now is.
just because you dont like a law tough, move somewhere where you do like the laws or be prepared to face the consequences for not obeying the law along with the other criminals.

[austingtir]

I recall now why so many have you on ignore.
I will no longer converse with you if you refuse to answer what is a simple yes no question.
You dont like a law change well tough its what the law now is.
just because you dont like a law tough, move somewhere where you do like the laws or be prepared to face the consequences for not obeying the law along with the other criminals.

Laws can be changed.

Thats why all gun owner's with commons sense in NZ should be voting for New Conservative!!

[TheDemonLord]

I recall now why so many have you on ignore.
I will no longer converse with you if you refuse to answer what is a simple yes no question.
You dont like a law change well tough its what the law now is.
just because you dont like a law tough, move somewhere where you do like the laws or be prepared to face the consequences for not obeying the law along with the other criminals.

So many?

At last count it was 3, and since you are replying, that would bring it down to 2.

Maths clearly not your strong suit....

I've answered all of your Questions - you've yet to answer mine:

Do you feel Safer?

And don't worry - since you are clearly such on such principled adherance to the Law, I shall remember this strict interpretation and apply to you in subsequent discussions, I don't think you will like the outcome....

[husaberg]

So many?

At last count it was 3, and since you are replying, that would bring it down to 2.

Maths clearly not your strong suit....

I've answered all of your Questions - you've yet to answer mine:

Do you feel Safer?

And don't worry - since you are clearly such on such principled adherance to the Law, I shall remember this strict interpretation and apply to you in subsequent discussions, I don't think you will like the outcome....

i have yet to answered yours, yet you have answered all of mine, what colour is thesky in your world, because you clearly haven't answered mine.
So where is the yes or no answer to if you have handed back your prohibited weapon and parts namely the AR10. Then a follow up question, if not do you intend to hand it back prior to the end of amnesty in December.
its not a trick question it not a hard question but you will not answer it.

SImply puti asked you a simple question first ,to which you consistently refuse to answer, yet conversely and hypocritically youeveryone expected to answer all your questions, that are nothing to do with either what they said. But are are just unrelated gish gallops designed to deflect attention from the original subject.

i recall that was the primary tactic of someone with deep seated psychological issues that used to beg random dudes to suck his cock when he was upset.
Unless you are prepared to answer whether you have handed back your prohibited weapon or not, you will be simply added back to ignore.

[Katman]

.....you will be simply added back to ignore.

I doubt it.

[husaberg]

I doubt it.

Your own doubts include the existence of the holocaust,
That there was gas chambers at Auschwitz.
That two planes hit and brought down the WTC,
That there is a cost effective alternative to 1080 for inaccessible areas of NZ.
That 4-5 month old calves get sent to the works after a Rodeo.
That big oil is stopping the take up of a geet engine that runs of coffee grounds
So i doubt you really are a reliable indicator of anything other than the gullibility of people called Steve who have a penchant for begging random dudes to perform oral sex on them and live in Taupo

[TheDemonLord]

i have yet to answered yours, yet you have answered all of mine, what colour is th esky in your world because you clearly haven't.
So where is the yes or no answer to if you have handed back your prohibited weapon and parts namely the AR10. Then a follow up question, if not do you intend to hand it back prior to the end of amnesty in December.
its not a trick question it not a hard question but you will not answer it.

I have, you can ask when it's appropriate to ask.
Not before.

Because you are desperately trying to paint me as a criminal, in order to poison the well and then use that justification to ignore the facts about the absolute failure that this law is and the undemocratic way it was introduced. We can presume you've gone down this route because you have at least the self-awareness to know that you have absolutely no rebuttal to the fact that even with grossly increased compliance rates, the Buy-Back is an Abyssmal failure and a massive waste of Money and will not in any way shape or form make NZ Safer.

In fact, by pissing off a large number of armed individuals, it is quite likely to have the opposite effect.

Until the 20th of December, regardless of what I say, I've committed no crime. So, the answer is: You can ask after the 20th of December.

SImply puti asked you a simple question first ,to which you consistently refuse to answer, yet conversely and hypocritically youeveryone expected to answer all your questions, that are nothing to do with either what they said. But are are just unrelated gish gallops designed to deflect attention from the original subject.

Actually, it was me that posed the Question first. In case your memory is failing:

Now, here is the question - Do you feel safer? Do you feel that it's money Well Spent?

Which you ignored, asked your own, then demand I answer (despite the fact I've given you an answer, it's just not one you like).

The fact you are going on this crusade, accusing me of the things you are currently doing is an exercise in your seething hatred of 'the other' and your own hypocrisy.

i recall that was the primary tactic of someone with deep seated psychological issues that used to beg random dudes to suck his cock when he was upset.
Unless you are prepared to answer whether you have handed back your prohibited weapon or not, you will be simply added back to ignore.

I've answered it 3 ways, I'll recount for you:

1: It's not a Question you have any right to ask.
2: It's not a Question I have any obligation to answer.
3: You may ask that Question after the 20th of December.

For a Bonus point - since you've clearly established that the first question asked must be the first question answered and subsequent questions can be ignored (and unfortunately for you, your own incompetence failed to notice that I asked first):

How's about you answer: Do you feel Safer?

[husaberg]

I have

Yet you very clearly have not. so back to ignore

[austingtir]

^^

[Katman]

Yet you very clearly have not. so back to ignore

I suspect the only person you're fooling is yourself.

[husaberg]

I suspect the only person you're fooling is yourself.

There you go again, the list of your previous suspects predominately consist of
The government (any unless its Russian)
The FBi
The CIA
the NTSB
the entire media (outside of Alex Jones)
Every known historian outside of David Irving (A well known fraudster who under oath admitted he lied)
every Scientist (who hasn't been discredited for publishing false data)
The FAA
Big oil
The New York fire department.
Every person whose last name ends in field or Stine, Bloom or berg
The New York police department
All the Drug companies. (Outside homeopathy)
THE WHO
The entire medical profession outside Wakefield (a well known fraud)
The Police
The entire judicial system.
A small Maltese puppy called Benjamin
Big anything.........(but as long as you add big first it makes it suspicious)
Various multiple shadowy organisations that don't seem to exist outside your own psychosis.

[Swoop]

And loose.
And Negligently Discharge.
And get stolen.

It would be interesting to see a comparison between the number of breaches of the 7 Basic Firearm safety rules by Police vs the Public.

Given how small the Police force is (16,000), I wouldn't be surprised if statistically, they breached those rules more than Joe Public.

I know of a negligent discharge inside a police station...
The rest of the proof is in the fact that so many ranges around the country refuse to allow them to use the facilities. The reason is because of the damage inflicted in the roof, walls and areas NOT meant to be fired into.
The military refuse access on many ranges because of this.

Even then though - 66% compliance, with 100,000 Firearms in the hands of people that have now been made Criminals by a retroactive law change - that doesn't make me feel safer.

Quite the opposite in fact.

A good quote today "The only thing being handed in, is democracy".