The firearm thread

[TheDemonLord]

Forgive me thats' a child like response, An MP is meant to represent the majority of those that voted for them, your views are the minority, don't let a narrow echo chamber view you get in this thread or a firearms forum fool you into thinking your view is the majority because its clearly not. 80% of kiwis think what has been done is a good idea or even conversely doesn't go far enough.
Accept it, deal with it and move on.
Those that don't comply are clearly not the people we want having firearms so they will be treated as such.

Something to point out (which Husa will ignore)

There were ~13,000 submissions made in the 24 hour period.

Yet, there were ~15,000 signatures on the Petition to have a proper submission period.

If Husaberg wants to play the 'Will of the People' card - then he must answer why 15,000 people were ignored and only a percentage of 13,000 to were listened to.

Does that sound like any form of Democracy?

[scumdog]

The Guardian newspaper recently published a podcast discussing antique firearms and "ghost" ammunition. Seemingly gangs in Britain are using antique guns and non-commercially loaded ammunition to get around firearms restrictions. The British definition of "antique" seems quite relaxed as the article mentioned WW2 era pistols. Ammunition for the majority of those is still available and widely used.

The paper engaged the services of an expert to assist with the podcast. It seems though that the main asset he brought to the interview was an American accent. Actual expertise was in short supply.

To learn about "ghost bullets", a colourful journalistic phrase, detectives visited a known local reloader who sometimes onsells to dealers. They showed him a variety of ammunition and he advised them as to what it was and how it would have been created. At one point he examined a round and identified it as one that he had loaded. Nothing was said, the discussion continued and eventually the detectives left.

Later they returned with a warrant for his arrest. He was tried and sentenced to twenty years jail. He appealed but the appeal failed.

The reloader didn't even try and conceal the fact that he had created the round, he was quite open about it as he was entitled to be. He did not sell ammunition to any gang member, he supplied it to a dealer who onsold it. I can't help but feel that, on the evidence presented in the podcast, a major injustice has been done.

The British justice system is on a parlous state currently following years of massive budget cuts and restrictions to legal aid etc. Reading general warnings about the failure of the sytem is one thing. An apparent travesty such as this is another entirely.


https://www.theguardian.com/news/aud...ullets-podcast

Welcome to what NZ will be like in this regard...

[Swoop]

80% of kiwis think what has been done...

Which, using your "statistics" would represent a miscarriage of representation of the electorate.
... oddly that fits right in with the liarbour government modus operandi.

[husaberg]

My MP is meant to represent my opinion in Parliament, not to make up whatever he/she "feels" is their opinion on any random day. Democracy has died in NZ. RIP democracy.

Forgive me thats' a child like response, An MP is meant to represent the majority of those that voted for them, your views are the minority, don't let a narrow echo chamber view you get in this thread or a firearms forum fool you into thinking your view is the majority because its clearly not. 80% of kiwis think what has been done is a good idea or even conversely doesn't go far enough.
Accept it, deal with it and move on.
Those that don't comply are clearly not the people we want having firearms so they will be treated as such.

Which, using your "statistics" would represent a miscarriage of representation of the electorate.
... oddly that fits right in with the liarbour government modus operandi.

80% of kiwis wanting the law changed is a little bit over and beyond a majority.
you first claimed it wasnt democracy as it wasn't what you wanted. but what you didnt consider 20% is not anything more than a minority.
As for blaming it on the current government
Funny how you just keep on conveniently not noticing that national MP's voted the same way, as did greens and NZ first.
Now were you going on and on when the law was changed after aromona by national, who f-ed it up.
were you going on about the deaath of democacy when the full big maged pistol gripped assult riffles werefirst banned?
the law has changed, get over it.

[TheDemonLord]

And now Lowers (that can be used on legal Firearms) are now Illegal.

This is not about Safety, this is about trying to ban all firearms by stealth.

[jasonu]

And now Lowers (that can be used on legal Firearms) are now Illegal.

This is not about Safety, this is about trying to ban all firearms by stealth.

Where did you hear this?

[Laava]

And now Lowers (that can be used on legal Firearms) are now Illegal.

This is not about Safety, this is about trying to ban all firearms by stealth.

So what do you mean by lowers and to what firearms are they applicable? I have never heard that term before although I have owned a few and varied guns.

[TheDemonLord]

Where did you hear this?

The Police have now ruled AR-15 lowers illegal, even though they can be put onto .22 uppers, with the centrefire uppers surrendered.

The Circus continues.

[jasonu]

The Police have now ruled AR-15 lowers illegal, even though they can be put onto .22 uppers, with the centrefire uppers surrendered.

The Circus continues.

Circus is right.
Didn't know the police could deem something legal, illegal or otherwise. Making laws isn't in their brief, right?

[TheDemonLord]

Circus is right.
Didn't know the police could deem something legal, illegal or otherwise. Making laws isn't in their brief, right?

Well, they've got a long and well established tradition in NZ of ignoring the separation of powers between the Executive, Legislature and Judiciary - remember when they tried to redefine what constituted a Pistol Grip?

[Swoop]

Now were you going on and on when the law was changed after aromona by national, who f-ed it up.

Yes, I did.
John Banks is a fuckwit, who enacted his personal bias and lack of knowledge.
Exactly like what Liarbour have done.

Their inept "ban black guns" is now making lever-action cowboy rifles illegal.

[husaberg]

Yes, I did.
John Banks is a fuckwit, who enacted his personal bias and lack of knowledge.
Exactly like what Liarbour have done.

Their inept "ban black guns" is now making lever-action cowboy rifles illegal.

Really exactly like, where is the loophole in the new law that allows people to legally buy and keep AR15's and suchlike and large Mags on a A class licence.
there is a about 5 people on KB moaning about the law change, yet you act like the whole country is up in arms about it.

[Katman]

there is a about 5 people on KB moaning about the law change, yet you act like the whole country is up in arms about it.

And yet there's probably only about 6 people regularly contributing to this thread.

You seem to be the only one wholeheartedly supporting the law change.

[husaberg]

And yet there's probably only about 6 people regularly contributing to this thread.

You seem to be the only one wholeheartedly supporting the law change.

Or maybe you just are not smart enough to notice that almost everyone else cant see the point arguing with bozos. As they drag you down to their level.
But feel free to refute the 80% support of the law change with some actual evidence. You do know what actual evidence is don't you?

[ellipsis]

...when are the fuckwits wanting me to turn in my pointy sticks...I have far more than 10 of the very dangerous things...?...if I took a few to the West Coast would I be labeled a 'terrorist'...interesting times...I wouldn't want to shove one up anyone's arse in particular...