The firearm thread

[jasonu]

So do they actually load it up to make sure it can only have 10 in the mag, or just go by make and model?

My guess is the average NZ Fuzz member doesn't even know how to load a gun...

[pritch]

So do they actually load it up to make sure it can only have 10 in the mag, or just go by make and model?

We were told it’s the specification which aligns with your ‘make and model’. If the cops were starting to load rounds into a firearm I for one would not be hanging around.

[Laava]

We were told it’s the specification which aligns with your ‘make and model’. If the cops were starting to load rounds into a firearm I for one would not be hanging around.

Haha, you're not in america here mate!

[Swoop]

What self-loader centrefire rifle isn't banned?

To my understanding all are - including an ancient four shot with a fixed magazine model I know of.

Read the legislation and it defines several criteria which must be met. If it has a fixed magazine that holds 5rnds or less, it is "ok".
There has been plenty of bits of paper with your company's letterhead all over them, but that is their opinion and not what anyone would get charged with. The Act is paramount.

So do they actually load it up to make sure it can only have 10 in the mag, or just go by make and model?

They cannot go by a simple "make and model" since they have allowed firearms to be modified to comply with the new regs.
A few shooting friends have had their firearms modified to comply.




A couple of anecdotes of recent times...

There is one shooter in the North Island who has had a $165,000 payout already.

Plod is now txt'ing owners and saying "there are NO queues at xyz confiscation event being held in your area" since the initial fiasco of people waiting for 6-8hrs!

[jasonu]

Read the legislation...... fiasco !

Sounds about right

[husaberg]

Sounds about right

Yeah the USA is clearly so bettttttterererer

studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014, that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States.[28]

In recent years, the number of public mass shootings has increased substantially

[jasonu]

Yeah the USA is clearly so bettttttterererer

So does that make the NZ legislation OK or just slightly less shit than another countries rules?

[husaberg]

So does that make the NZ legislation OK or just slightly less shit than another countries rules?

Well do you think the USA having some of the worlds most lax gun laws and also the worst records for mass shootings is a co-incidence?
We all know that Australia had a massive decrease in mass shooting after their firearm reforms. I don't believe that was a co-incidence.
Nor do i believe the fact the USA has so many is not related to their extremely lax firearm laws.
NZ now has some of the strongest firearm laws so i will let history be the judge. If it makes a difference.

[Danger Mouse]

Read the legislation and it defines several criteria which must be met. If it has a fixed magazine that holds 5rnds or less, it is "ok".
There has been plenty of bits of paper with your company's letterhead all over them, but that is their opinion and not what anyone would get charged with. The Act is paramount.


They cannot go by a simple "make and model" since they have allowed firearms to be modified to comply with the new regs.
A few shooting friends have had their firearms modified to comply.




A couple of anecdotes of recent times...

There is one shooter in the North Island who has had a $165,000 payout already.

Plod is now txt'ing owners and saying "there are NO queues at xyz confiscation event being held in your area" since the initial fiasco of people waiting for 6-8hrs!

That's not quite right. Shat you describe only applies to shotguns. All semi automatic center fire rifles are now illegal

[Danger Mouse]

Well do you think the USA having some of the worlds most lax gun laws and also the worst records for mass shootings is a co-incidence?
We all know that Australia had a massive decrease in mass shooting after their firearm reforms. I don't believe that was a co-incidence.
Nor do i believe the fact the USA has so many is not related to their extremely lax firearm laws.
NZ now has some of the strongest firearm laws so i will let history be the judge. If it makes a difference.

You can't make generalizations of the us like that due to each state having it's own laws.

But you will find that the states with more relaxed firearms legislation have less firearms crime.

[husaberg]

You can't make generalizations of the us like that due to each state having it's own laws.

But you will find that the states with more relaxed firearms legislation have less firearms crime.

Yes i can as i have facts to back it up

the USA overall has some of the laxest gun laws in the developed world the highest rate of gun ownership it also has the highest rates of mass murders, these are facts.

but The United States of America is the only place you can get a gun at a Walmart. In fact, only 13 states require a background check. Guns can be advertised online and they can cost as little as US$100, making it the cheapest place to buy guns in the world. Even AR-15s can cost less than an iPhone. The estimated number of guns per capita is around 1.13. This means there are more guns than there are people. Even one of Iowa’s legislative bodies has passed a bill to allow children to handle handguns.

The United States’s gun homicide rate is 25 times higher than other high-income countries, according to a recent study

There are more mass shootings in states with weaker gun laws, according to a new study published in The BMJ, a medical journal, on Wednesday.

The study, from researchers at Columbia, New York University, Boston University, and the University of Pennsylvania, analyzed states’ mass shooting rates, the permissiveness of their firearm laws, and levels of gun ownership from 1998 to 2015. It then tested each of these to see if there was a link.

The result: Where there are more guns, there are more mass shootings. And where gun laws are weaker, there are more mass shootings.

“A 10 unit increase in the permissiveness of state gun laws was associated with an approximately 9 percent higher rate of mass shootings after adjusting for key factors,” the researchers concluded. “A 10 percent increase in gun ownership was associated with an approximately 35 percent higher rate of mass shootings after adjusting for key factors.”

The researchers found that the difference between states with weaker laws and states with stronger laws is increasing, noting that there’s “a growing divergence in recent years as rates of mass shootings in restrictive states have decreased and those in permissive states have increased.”

If you have facts , you will have no problems producing them to back up your claims.

[Danger Mouse]

Yes i can as i have facts to back it up

the USA overall has some of the laxest gun laws in the developed world the highest rate of gun ownership it also has the highest rates of mass murders, these are facts.

but The United States of America is the only place you can get a gun at a Walmart. In fact, only 13 states require a background check. Guns can be advertised online and they can cost as little as US$100, making it the cheapest place to buy guns in the world. Even AR-15s can cost less than an iPhone. The estimated number of guns per capita is around 1.13. This means there are more guns than there are people. Even one of Iowa’s legislative bodies has passed a bill to allow children to handle handguns.










If you have facts , you will have no problems producing them to back up your claims.

Actually you dont under correlation or causation and have been quite happy to misrepresent things suit your own position. Do I'll just add you to my block list.

Bye.

[husaberg]

Jeez, calm the farm there big fella!
So, you can legally modify the shotgun to only take 5 rounds. If you want to keep it, same as the .22 tube mags.
Re the pump action 22, I have 2 of these as well, my old one(1911) is a ten shot, but you can fit 12 in the tube(not recommended) and you can have one already cranked in. But the gun is descibed as a ten shot. The other one is similar. Is that also the case with your brothers?

How do I go about modifying my firearm from being prohibited to non-prohibited?

Some firearms with non-detachable tubular magazines are able to be modified (to permanently reduce the magazine capacity so that the firearm is no longer a prohibited firearm), including:

Semi-automatic firearms capable of firing only 0.22 calibre or lower rimfire cartridges, with a non-detachable magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds
Semi-automatic shotguns with a non-detachable tubular magazine capable of holding more than five cartridges
A pump-action shotgun with a non-detachable tubular magazine capable of holding more than five cartridges.
Owners of some bolt or lever-action firearms may not realise that, while firearms with those actions are not prohibited, the non-detachable magazine may be because of the number of rounds it holds. These include:

Shotguns with a non-detachable tubular magazine capable of holding more than five cartridges
Other firearms with non-detachable tubular magazines capable of holding more than 10 cartridges.
A process for how modifications can be carried out - and a list of approved gunsmiths to do the modifications - will be published on the Police website soon. Until then, please continue to keep your firearms safe. We recommend you read the full Regulations on the Police website.

Those people who elect to modify their eligible firearms can seek payment up to a maximum of $300 for the cost of the modification. This payment will be made to the approved gunsmith who carries out the modification.
https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/fi...s-changes-faqs

Are AR type lower receivers prohibited? (new)

Yes, AR type lower receivers are prohibited under the Act. These substantive AR type parts can be used interchangeably and are capable of forming a prohibited firearm with a centre-fire upper receiver. Any modification of a prohibited firearm by replacing the upper receiver is not permanent and is therefore not consistent with the intent of the legislation.

An AR type lower receiver on its own does not yet appear on the Buy-Back price list (04 Sept 2019 edition) and they have not, to date, been accepted as part of the buyback.. At the point they are listed, Police will put the pricing on our website and we encourage all owners of AR type lower receivers to then hand them over as part of the buyback process and receive compensation


Prohibited firearms cannot be used without an endorsement and permit.

Is a two cartridge magazine extender on the end of a three shot fixed tubular magazine still lawful for a semi-automatic or a pump action shotgun?

Yes, provided the magazine(s) cannot hold a total of more than five cartridges (commensurate with the firearm’s chamber size).

Can I use a semi-automatic shotgun with a tubular magazine capacity of five 3 ½" cartridges in light of the fact it could hold six 2 ¾" cartridges?

The magazine capacity is measured commensurate with the firearm’s chamber size. If the firearm is chambered for 3 ½ inch cartridges and is capable of holding no more than five of those cartridges, then it is not a prohibited firearm and can still be used with a standard firearms licence.

Would it be illegal to put six 2 ¾" cartridges into the above firearm?

You should use cartridges that the shotgun is chambered for. The intent of the changes to the Act is to restrict shotguns to five cartridges.

Would it be illegal to put five 2 ¾" cartridges into the above firearm in light of the fact it could hold another cartridge?

That is within the intent of the Act.

Can parts and accessories used with newly prohibited semi-automatic shotguns be removed from that gun and used with legal semi-automatic shotguns?

Not if the part is a prohibited part.

Can I use a pump-action shotgun?

Provided is not a pump action shotgun that:

Is capable of being used with a detachable magazine; or
Has a non-detachable tubular magazine capable of holding more than 5 rounds.

[husaberg]

Actually you dont under correlation or causation and have been quite happy to misrepresent things suit your own position. Do I'll just add you to my block list.

Bye.

Fine, although ignoring the fact you were clearly wrong, will not make you right though now, will it.
You made a real tit of yourself claiming something, i posted was not able to be proven, when it was, even then in only a few seconds
Unless of course you believe all those researchers made it all up.

[jasonu]

You can't make generalizations of the us like that due to each state having it's own laws.

But you will find that the states with more relaxed firearms legislation have less firearms crime.

Cue multiple posts with 10 or more cut and pastes that could have come from anywhere.....

Please don't encourage him.