The firearm thread

[husaberg]

Cue multiple posts with 10 or more cut and pastes that could have come from anywhere.....

Please don't encourage him.

Do you realize the souces are marked, Of course what would the researchers from the university of Alabama, Columbia university, Boston University, and the University of Pennsylvania know compared to your hunch's and lack of cognitive abilities.

[Katman]

Of course what would the researchers from the university of Alabama, Columbia university, Boston University, and the University of Pennsylvania know compared to your hunchs and lack of cognitive abilities.

What about the researchers from the University of Alaska Fairbanks?

[husaberg]

What about the researchers from the University of Alaska Fairbanks?

What about them.........
do you know what the population is of Fairbanks Alaska is.....its 32 thousand only slightly bigger than the cesspit you live in, They carry handguns there as a rule to shoot bear and wolves
maybe we should see what the university policy is on firearms

Board of Regents’ Policy 02.09.020 - Possession of Weapons, provides that “…possession or carrying of firearms in buildings or parts of buildings owned or controlled by the university, on developed university land adjacent to university buildings, or at university sporting, entertainment or educational events, is a violation of regents’ policy and may result in administrative sanctions.”

If you have a study post it or go away and stop being such a sad old troll.

ps maybe you should learn how to quote properly egg.


For a laugh lets full up Alaska's stats
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates.

1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
In Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths. John Roman, senior fellow at the Urban Institute, an economic and social policy think tank told USA Today that states with the highest rates of suicide also usually had the strongest culture of gun ownership. "There are many more suicides in places where it's easy to get a gun," he said.

lets see what other research is out there
Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.
Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)
Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.
Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide
We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002; 92:1988-1993
Across states, more guns = more homicide
Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten-year period (1988-1997).
After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.
Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)
Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.


Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D. Firearms and violence death in the United States. In: Webster DW, Vernick JS, eds. Reducing Gun Violence in America. Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013.
A summary of the evidence on guns and violent death
This book chapter summarizes the scientific literature on the relationship between gun prevalence (levels of household gun ownership) and suicide, homicide and unintentional firearm death and concludes that where there are higher levels of gun ownership, there are more gun suicides and more total suicides, more gun homicides and more total homicides, and more accidental gun deaths.
This is the first chapter in the book and provides and up-to-date and readable summary of the literature on the relationship between guns and death. It also adds to the literature by using the National Violent Death Reporting System data to show where (home or away) the shootings occurred. Suicides for all age groups and homicides for children and aging adults most often occurred in their own home.


Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48.
More guns = more homicides of police
This article examines homicide rates of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) from 1996 to 2010. Differences in rates of homicides of LEOs across states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states.

As a breakthrough analysis by UC Berkeley’s Franklin Zimring and Gordon Hawkins in the 1990s found, it’s not even that the US has more crime than other developed countries. This chart, based on data from Jeffrey Swanson at Duke University, shows that the US is not an outlier when it comes to overall crime: Instead, the US appears to have more lethal violence — and that’s driven in large part by the prevalence of guns.


Epidemiologic Evidence to Guide the Understanding and Prevention of Gun Violence
Daniel W. Webster, Magdalena Cerdá, Garen J. Wintemute, Philip J. Cook
Epidemiologic Reviews, Volume 38, Issue 1, 1 January 2016, Pages 1–4, https://doi.org/10.1093/epirev/mxv018
Abstract
Gunfire from assaults, suicides, and unintentional shootings exacts an enormous burden on public health globally. The epidemiologic reviews in this special issue enhance our understanding of various forms of gun violence, inform interventions, and help chart directions for future research. The available science, however, is limited to answer many important questions necessary for mounting successful efforts to reduce gun violence. Certain data are lacking, and there are numerous analytical challenges to deriving unbiased estimates of policy impacts. Significant investments in research over the long term are warranted to answer questions central to successful prevention of gun violence.

What Do We Know About the Association Between Firearm Legislation and Firearm-Related Injuries?
Julian Santaella-Tenorio, Magdalena Cerdá, Andrés Villaveces, Sandro Galea Author Notes
We restricted our search to studies published from 1950 to 2014. Evidence from 130 studies in 10 countries suggests that in certain nations the simultaneous implementation of laws targeting multiple firearms restrictions is associated with reductions in firearm deaths.
In a comprehensive review of firearm-control legislation worldwide, we identified a range of studies examining the association between firearm-related laws and firearm deaths. Three general observations emerge from this analysis: 1) The simultaneous implementation of laws targeting multiple elements of firearms regulations reduced firearm-related deaths in certain countries; 2) some specific restrictions on purchase, access, and use of firearms are associated with reductions in firearm deaths; 3) challenges in ecological design and the execution of studies limit the confidence in study findings and the conclusions that can be derived from them.

[Katman]

What about them.........

Well you seem to place a large degree of credence in the work of researchers if they have a university accreditation.

So does that include the work done by researchers at UAF for their study of the collapse of WTC 7?

[husaberg]

Well you seem to place a large degree of credence in the work of researchers if they have a university accreditation.

So does that include the work done by researchers at UAF for their study of the collapse of WTC 7?

I place credence in research that is scientific, repeatable, peer reviewed research, that is presented by suitably qualified people, without preconceived notions or agendas or obvious conflicts of interest.
If you have something ,Maybe you should post it in the thread for 911 nutjobs theories.
Then people can judge it on its merits, i suspect you still do not have the skills needed to differentiate between conjecture and real research
As this is all you have previously displayed by your attempts to present information.

#Hint your continued presentation of Andrew Wakefeild's discredited study, a well known fraud.
Or David Irving when he admisted under oath he had made up parts and not included others
Or your previous presentation of the Leuchter report. Which was a fraudulent misuse and misrepresentation made by unqualified people that were being paid to conclude a certain outcome so they could be paid to present it at a trial.
A person who also falsely presented himself as an engineer.

[Katman]

If you have something...

Have you not read the study?

[scumdog]

Cahill claims only 10% of prohibited firearms have been handed in so far (Wow that 'buy back' HAS been a success..pfft!) but also claims 'we dont know how many are out there' -WTF, how does he know only 10% have been handed in if he doesn't know how many are out there?????

[jasonu]

I place credence in research that is scientific, repeatable, peer reviewed research, that is presented by suitably qualified people, without preconceived notions or agendas or obvious conflicts of interest.
If you have something ,Maybe you should post it in the thread for 911 nutjobs theories.

So generally speaking if you disagree with a particular piece of research you categorize it a nutjob theory.

[husaberg]

So generally speaking if you disagree with a particular piece of research you categorize it a nutjob theory.

No that's very clearly not what i said at all. If you cant quote the entire post, troll somewhere else.
I even gave examples of the stuff he previously presented that was what was nutjob junk research
Do you not agree what he presented with the examples i gave were nutjob theories?

#Hint your continued presentation of Andrew Wakefeild's discredited study, a well known fraud.
Or David Irving when he admisted under oath he had made up parts and not included others
Or your previous presentation of the Leuchter report. Which was a fraudulent misuse and misrepresentation made by unqualified people that were being paid to conclude a certain outcome so they could be paid to present it at a trial.
A person who also falsely presented himself as an engineer.

Ps i notice you dont refute the research i posted that clearly shows the correlation between lax gun laws and firearm deaths and mass homocide with firearms.

Well you seem to place a large degree of credence in the work of researchers if they have a university accreditation.
So does that include the work done by researchers at UAF for their study of the collapse of WTC 7?

Have you not read the study?

did the study conclude they used they use firearms to bring down the tower or do not realise this is a firearms thread?
One to which you have contributed nothing to but narcissistic trollin.

[pritch]

how does he know only 10% have been handed in if he doesn't know how many are out there?

Don't bring logic into this. We're running this scheme on knee jerks and emotion.

[Danger Mouse]

Cahill claims only 10% of prohibited firearms have been handed in so far (Wow that 'buy back' HAS been a success..pfft!) but also claims 'we dont know how many are out there' -WTF, how does he know only 10% have been handed in if he doesn't know how many are out there?????

Yesh, he has been lying for ages and its been proven.

Also, they DO have an idea of numbers, police issued all the import permits so . . .

[husaberg]

Yesh, he has been lying for ages and its been proven.

Also, they DO have an idea of numbers, police issued all the import permits so . . .

It was proven a few days ago you don't know what you are talking about, did you forget that..............
Maybe you should tell us all exactly how many prohibited firearms there is in NZ.
You should also list of those lies "you claim have been proven" so everyone can judge for themselves.

maybe also you might like to explain your connection wih this poster....................

About Delerium
What bike do you ride:
2015 f800gt

[TheDemonLord]

It was proven a few days ago you don't know what you are talking about, did you forget that..............
Maybe you should tell us all exactly how many prohibited firearms there is in NZ.
You should also list of those lies "you claim have been proven" so everyone can judge for themselves.

maybe also you might like to explain your connection wih this poster....................

Actually, he is 100% correct - every complete firearm or Action of a Firearm (which for a Semi-Auto was the Upper and Lower receiver) required an import permit - which was issued by the Police.

Since there is no domestic manufacturing of any scale of Semi-Auto Recievers, we can conclude that every legal Semi-Auto firearm in the country required a Permit to be issued for importation, which is held on record.

Something both the Government and the Media have been very quiet on - mainly because is puts a rather large hold in the 'Muh Register' argument.

In fact, David Seymour brought this up - with an OIA request - 125,000 permits for now prohibited Firearms were issued in the last 5 years.

That number happens to be quite interesting, because the lowest reputable estimate for the number of now prohibited Firearms is 250,000 (A number that was not used for the costing by KPMG, they used a percentage, which was wildly low, funny how it's now being used by Cahill, how interesting), whereas the highest reputable estimate for the number of Prohibited Firearms (from Gun City) is 660,000. We've had the same import laws for the last 30 years - so assume 100,000 permits every 5 years for 30 years (which is not unreasonable given the OIA figures) - that gives 600,000 firearms in the last 30 years.

However, the buyback is 50% complete and less than 10% of the lowest credible estimate have been handed in. That should be a clue as to how much of a failure the new laws are.

[Swoop]

That's not quite right. Shat you describe only applies to shotguns. All semi automatic center fire rifles are now illegal

It appears that the legislation has been changed since when it came out. Then it stated self-loaders were OK as long as a fixed mag and 5rnds or less.


As for "approved gunsmiths" being able to alter a firearm so that it can comply, there hasn't been any people listed as such. Not that quite a bit is actually happening already.

[scumdog]

Actually, he is 100% correct - every complete firearm or Action of a Firearm (which for a Semi-Auto was the Upper and Lower receiver) required an import permit - which was issued by the Police.

Since there is no domestic manufacturing of any scale of Semi-Auto Recievers, we can conclude that every legal Semi-Auto firearm in the country required a Permit to be issued for importation, which is held on record.

Something both the Government and the Media have been very quiet on - mainly because is puts a rather large hold in the 'Muh Register' argument.

In fact, David Seymour brought this up - with an OIA request - 125,000 permits for now prohibited Firearms were issued in the last 5 years.

That number happens to be quite interesting, because the lowest reputable estimate for the number of now prohibited Firearms is 250,000 (A number that was not used for the costing by KPMG, they used a percentage, which was wildly low, funny how it's now being used by Cahill, how interesting), whereas the highest reputable estimate for the number of Prohibited Firearms (from Gun City) is 660,000. We've had the same import laws for the last 30 years - so assume 100,000 permits every 5 years for 30 years (which is not unreasonable given the OIA figures) - that gives 600,000 firearms in the last 30 years.

However, the buyback is 50% complete and less than 10% of the lowest credible estimate have been handed in. That should be a clue as to how much of a failure the new laws are.

Ohh yes indeedy, it's a right flustercluck.


Now getting people who have already surrendered their 'forbidden' guns weeks getting reminders that as an E category licence holder they have to hand their E category firearms in -that certainly smacks of disorganisation and total lack of awareness of the number of outstanding 'forbidden' weapons.