Originally Posted by
scumdog
Except for the smuggled in guns every gun entering the country has required an import licence or permit of some sort.
So in theory the government SHOULD know how many of a particular type of gun are out there.
But they don't
What an unmitigated clustrefuck!
Yes - exactly .... an unmitigated clusterfuck
Originally Posted by
Laava
Which govt are to blame for that tho Scummy? It is irrelevant actually but is not the current one. I remember the permit to procure days and when they moved to the current license, that was the time to create a register. Big mistake as it turns out. Very very hard to fix that retrospectively.
Originally Posted by
TheDemonLord
Why?
The point about the Import process is because of the repeated Lie of 'we don't know how many are out there'.
And I say lie for a number of reasons:
1: Either they don't know, which if true presents a problem - namely if you are required to issue a permit to import and keep a record of it and you fail to do that, it's impossible to then claim that the same entity will be able to keep a record in another format.
2: They do know, but if they let that slip it partially sinks the registry argument and will show people just how much a full Buy-Back would cost.
Furthermore - As Aoraki ammunition pointed out - The Police knew what Firearms that the Terrorist had - so for all the Registry advocates - please explain how that prevented the Mass Shooting?
They simply do not know - once upon a time, as Laava has pointed out, there was a permit to procure process and the police knew what guns each person owned. An accurate register of legal guns.
To even buy a gun off a mate you had to get a permit to procure - for each and every gun that was bought. Getting such a permit required a vetting process FOR EACH GUN!
The replacement system means I can sell my guns to anyone who has a licence - and the police are not involved.
I have three guns bought from mates, without any sort of permit other than the plastic card Firearms licence .. so the police have no idea I have these guns ...
At the time the new system was brought in, the police dumped their records (may be retrievable) - so the gun I bought in the 1970s they probably have no record that I own that one either ..
If they have no records from that period, then they simply do not know how many legal guns there are in the country .. some may have been lost or destroyed - the police simply do not know ..
They do not know how many firearms licence holders have bought guns from illegal sources .. or how many firearms holders have sold guns to illegal people .. They simply do not know .
The only thing the police really know is that I have a firearms licence ....
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