View Poll Results: Which firearm types do you own?

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  • Shotgun (single, double, pump, lever, bolt)

    291 31.91%
  • Shotgun Auto (non MSSA)

    96 10.53%
  • Rifle (single, double, pump, lever, bolt)

    408 44.74%
  • Rifle Auto (non MSSA)

    177 19.41%
  • MSSA

    66 7.24%
  • Pistol

    78 8.55%
  • Black powder (rifle, pistol, shotgun)

    35 3.84%
  • Air/Gas (pistol, rifle)

    313 34.32%
  • un-armed

    305 33.44%
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Only none of those are about firearms or safety or people killed by firearms.
    its like me saying we have a higher number of wekas than the USA does.
    Again its a fact that on average and on demographics and beyond a shadow of doubt for any person with a modicum of common sense is, that the laxer the laws are in any particular country the more people there are that get killed by firearms.
    Feel free to depute that with facts... go on.
    Except that's the complete opposite of what actually happens.

    You must be friends with hera cook,

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Then how do you explain that the vast majority of Firearm murders in the US are in States with particularly strict laws, whereas States with much more relaxed laws have a lower rate?
    You mean like Chicago in Illinois where they tracked the majority of weapons coming from adjoining states with lax firearms laws
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danger Mouse View Post
    Except that's the complete opposite of what actually happens.

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    Really the complete opposite, so the figures to back your assertion then?
    show us all how its the complete opposite then?
    Or are you going to try an misrepresent the facts like the rather desperate TDL attempts to. without any evidence.
    i can show the figures to back mine here they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    You mean like Chicago in Illinois where they tracked the majority of weapons coming from adjoining states with lax firearms laws
    Also maryland but what the dude is also trying to misrepresent is hes using number in total rather than per head of population.
    the fact he needs to try misrepresent the numbers should be a clue he doesn't have the facts on his side so has to resort to petty tricks and falsehoods to push his own agenda.

    ILLINOIS
    Despite earning an A- for its gun laws, Illinois has a higher gun death rate than many states with similar laws because of guns trafficked in from nearby states. Nearly half the guns used in crimes in Illinois—and nearly 60% of the guns used in crimes in Chicago—are trafficked from states with weaker gun laws. The majority of these guns come from neighboring Indiana, which received a D- on the Scorecard for lacking many of the important gun safety protections Illinois has passed. Southern states with F grades, like Missouri, Kentucky, and Mississippi, also traffic hundreds of crime guns into Illinois each year.
    MARYLAND
    Traffickers often exploit gaps in federal law by purchasing guns at gun shows and in private sales in states that haven’t passed universal background checks. Maryland, which earned an A- on the Scorecard, has the nation’s highest rate of crime gun imports, with traffickers bringing in nearly three times as many guns to Maryland as the average state. Maryland sits on the Iron Pipeline, a route used to traffic firearms from southern states with weak gun laws to northeastern states with stronger laws. Nearly a third of crime guns recovered in Maryland were originally sold in Virginia. Guns from Georgia and Florida are also major contributors to violence in the state.
    CALIFORNIA
    California has the strongest gun laws in the nation but neighbors several states that don’t yet make the grade. Weaker laws in nearby states undermine California’s comprehensive gun safety laws, fueling gun crime and violence in the state—more than 10,000 guns are trafficked into California and used in crimes each year. While California has its own anti-trafficking laws, firearm trafficking is not treated as a federal crime, making enforcement difficult and enabling criminals to exploit weaknesses in the system. Ironically, California’s neighbors benefit from the state’s gun safety laws, as firearms originating in California are among the least likely to be recovered at crime scenes in other states.
    even with these outlier states here is the breakdown

    average rank in gun law tightness vs lowest rates average ranking for firearm killings/ head of population

    A 43.5 out of 50.
    B 40.66 out of 50.
    C 28.58 out of 50.
    D 22.33 out of 50.
    F 15.619 out of 50.

    ten worst states gun law ranks.
    8 are F's 2 are C
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    You mean like Chicago in Illinois where they tracked the majority of weapons coming from adjoining states with lax firearms laws
    So you are saying that the Criminals don't abide by the Firearm laws in the State they are in?

    Not only that, but if my memory is correct, trafficking firearms across State lines is a Federal Offence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danger Mouse View Post
    Except that's the complete opposite of what actually happens.

    You must be friends with hera cook,

    “I don’t think we are going to achieve a great deal by talking about facts” -Hera Cook, Gun Control NZ...
    Hera Cook 'stupid as stupid does' - doesn't allow logic to back her emotional thick claims

    She's dangerously dumb and gets way too much time in the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    So you are saying that the Criminals don't abide by the Firearm laws in the State they are in?

    Not only that, but if my memory is correct, trafficking firearms across State lines is a Federal Offence.
    That's the problem with the gun control crowd. They are dishonest. They lie about their motivations, they lie about their intent, and they lie about their methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danger Mouse View Post
    That's the problem with the gun control crowd. They are dishonest. They lie about their motivations, they lie about their intent, and they lie about their methods.


    Quote Originally Posted by Danger Mouse View Post
    Except that's the complete opposite of what actually happens.

    ..
    Go on then explain your lie then.....
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    Got an email from the Police today, still digesting it. There is this video...

    https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-se...ms-added#small
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Got an email from the Police today, still digesting it. There is this video...

    https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-se...ms-added#small
    Oh look, The police writing the rules again and banning more things.

    Nevermind the separation of Powers from the Executive and the Legislature and the Judiciary.

    NZ Police, one-stop incompetent shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Oh look, The police writing the rules again and banning more things.

    Nevermind the separation of Powers from the Executive and the Legislature and the Judiciary.

    NZ Police, one-stop incompetent shop.

    Gotta agree -and they same to equate (mistake?) their 'policy' for 'law in a lot of their printed stuff re firearms storage etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Go on then explain your lie then.....
    I can explain one of the lies - the claim that they were targeting 'evil black guns' (to quote one) when the new laws swept up the most innocuous looking ancient rifles in the same net, no mention of that.

    Hera Cook is a classic anti-gun liar, have a look at what she says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    I can explain one of the lies - the claim that they were targeting 'evil black guns' (to quote one) when the new laws swept up the most innocuous looking ancient rifles in the same net, no mention of that.

    Hera Cook is a classic anti-gun liar, have a look at what she says.
    The only people going on about hera cook, is people other than me.
    I asked the idiot to explain his inference, that the tighter the gun rules the more problems with guns there is.
    When its clear, the opposite is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    the only people going on about hear cook is people other than me.
    i asked the idiot to explain his inference that the tighter the gun rules the more problems with guns there is.
    when its clear, the opposite is true.
    Where's the figures for NZ prior to the Mosque shooting and after the Mosque shooting ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Where's the figures for NZ prior to the Mosque shooting and after the Mosque shooting ?
    Okay Warwick prior to the mosque shooting there were many multiple killing after the law reforms there has been none.
    Yes that's sarcasm, but its a silly question.

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    Five men were robbed and killed on the Maungatapu Track near Nelson in 1866

    Strikes in 1912 and 1913, a Communist revolution in Russia, and large numbers of ex-military guns coming into the country after World War I were used as justification for a new law in 1920. The new law required the registration of all firearms and issue of a "permit to procure" before a firearm was transferred. Semi-automatic pistols were banned and a special permit was needed for other pistols (e.g. revolvers), with the intent of discouraging the carrying of concealed weapons. Few changes were seen for the next forty years as crime remained low and the country avoided political violence.
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    Stanley Graham 1941
    Hokitika man Stanley Graham shot four police officers and three other people after a dispute with a neighbour who he believed was killing his cattle in 1941.
    Graham himself was eventually shot dead by police after a manhunt involving more than 100 police and several hundred army and Home Guard personnel.

    Featherston riot 1843
    Guards at a Featherston camp for Japanese prisoners of war shot and killed 48 prisoners during a riot in 1943, during World War II. One New Zealand soldier also died.

    Various new laws were introduced in the 1970s and 80s, proposing more government checks, registration of shotguns (which had been abandoned) and individual licensing. An internal police report in 1982 criticised the proposals, saying there was no evidence that registration of guns helped to solve crimes, and that registration would use time and money better spent on other police work. This policy was adopted by the government in the 1983 Act
    Aramoana 1990
    A man in the small seaside township of Aramoana near Dunedin, David Gray, killed 13 people


    Schlaepfer killing 1992
    killed six members of his family before turning a shotgun on himself in May 1992.

    OCT 1992 NZ farearms amendment act
    Bain Family 1994
    6 killed

    Raurimu rampage 1997
    In February 1997 Stephen Lawrence Anderson killed six people at Raurimu, near Mt Ruapehu. Anderson had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and was found not guilty of murder on the grounds of insanity.
    the guns were illegally owned.


    The National government in 1999, its last year in office, introduced an Arms Amendment (No. 2) Bill to implement the recommendations, and the bill was supported by the new Labour government. After the strong weight of submissions made against the bill when it was in select committee, the government was persuaded that the changes were unneeded and would be difficult to implement. Due to the opposition, the bill was withdrawn. The government then introduced a much reduced Arms Amendment (No. 3) Bill, which increased penalties for distribution, manufacture and use of illegal weapons. It has been in select committee since 2005, and the government has not shown any sign of proceeding with it. In March 2012, an order of the day for a second reading of the Arms Amendment (No. 3) Bill was discharged.
    2009–2018
    In August 2009, the police decided that any firearm, including single shot bolt action rifles, with a free-standing pistol grip that could allow the firearm to be shot inaccurately from the hip would be defined as an MSSA.[41] However, the High Court rejected this attempt in Lincoln v Police [2010] BCL 194; 33 TCL 11/2. Parliament subsequently amended the Arms Act as a result of the court decision.

    In 2015, a TV reporter demonstrated how to subvert processes to purchase a gun by mail-order. Police promptly changed their mail-order processes and commenced a criminal investigation.

    In March 2016, after Police seized 14 illegally owned MSSA weapons in a raid in south Auckland and 4 officers were shot during an armed siege in Kawerau,Parliament's Law and Order Select Committee announced an Inquiry into issues relating to the illegal possession of firearms in New Zealand. In their final report the committee made 20 recommendations, of which the National government accepted 7 and modified another.The government introduced the Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill to implement several of the recommendations shortly before the 2017 election but it lapsed with the change of government. It was subsequently drawn as a member's bill but it failed to pass at the first reading.[47] The Minister also directed Police to improve their administrative processes and consultation with the firearms community.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was the chair of an executive committee which in 2018 ushered through amendments to the Arms Regulations 2002, to allow Police to accept and process various applications concerning firearms licences and weapons transactions electronically. The Arms (Electronic Transactions) Amendment Regulations 2018 were published in the Gazette on 20 December 2018. Previously under the Arms Act, if someone wanted to become a gun dealer, get a firearms licence, import a restricted weapon, or get a permit to buy a military-style semi-automatic, they had to physically deliver an application to their nearest police station. The regulations also allow for a buyer of a restricted weapon to show that weapon to police by video call – whereas in the past they had to take it into the station.
    2019
    Christchurch mosque massacre: 50 dead in shootings


    If what dingemousedick was true there will be more multiple killings as a result of the law change.

    People keep going on how the law reform didn't work as X many have never handed in the guns they clearly were and are not law-abiding citizens that should have even a firearm at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Okay Warwick prior to the mosque shooting there were many multiple killing after the law reforms there has been none.
    Yes that's sarcasm, but its a silly question.
    Nice deflection, I didn't ask about multiple killings, what about overall firearms deaths or did the murder rate even change at all ?
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