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The Majestic Metal Wizard
See where I said you missed the point?Originally Posted by husaberg
See the part you didn't underline?
Now see if you can work out why a report that hides the details that it used to reach it's conclusions might be treated with derision?
And again, The Islamic community agree - and considering we are approaching this report from the polar opposite ends of the spectrum, that should be a hint.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
You gave three points then claim to only made one, I addressed all three including the high level of hypocrisy you are showing, you have no ability to act in a rational manner so back to ignore you go.
,We investigated ourselves,found we did nothing wrongand you don't need to know the details for 30 years"Fuck.
Right.
Off.Sir William is a Supreme Court Judge, and former President of the Court of Appeal of New Zealand. He was appointed to the Supreme Court in June 2010.
Sir William graduated from the University of Canterbury in 1974 with an LLB with first class honours and was awarded the Gold Medal in Law by the then Canterbury District Law Society for being the top graduating law student in his year.
Sir William then completed a PhD at Cambridge University and returned to New Zealand to enter legal practice in Christchurch. From being a partner in his firm, Young Hunter, he became a Barrister Sole in 1988 and a Queen’s Counsel in 1991. In his QC role, Sir William acted in several high profile cases.
In 1997, Sir William was appointed a Judge of the High Court, progressing to the Court of Appeal (2004), the Presidency of the Court of Appeal (2006) and the Supreme Court (2010).Jacqui Caine (Ngāi Tahu, Kāti Māmoe, Waitaha), was New Zealand’s Ambassador to Chile, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, and Bolivia, from 2015 to 2018. Since February this year, she has been working for Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu. She comes from Bluff but currently lives in Christchurch.
Jacqui studied law and commerce at Otago University in New Zealand. She was a career diplomat and has had a number of roles in the New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade including in the Trade Negotiations Division, Legal Division and Americas Division.
Jacqui has also served as the Deputy Ambassador to Singapore and Mexico and Deputy High Commissioner to Vanuatu.Oddly you never had an issue with the 911 reports information being redacted as it was done for the same reasons as stated in the NZ commission.
You don't know more about the law, the case or the reasons, plus you have been shown to be a total hypocrite regarding the redacting you lose suck it up, or move to another country pommy.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
The Majestic Metal Wizard
There's no hypocrisy, only your deliberate misunderstanding.
To most people, they would understand the preamble and meme of 'We've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong' to be a sarcastic characterization of an entity that produces a report (wait for it):
whereby certain information is omitted, ignored, censured, covered up or otherwise not released in full, which is clearly linked to the subsequent actual point that they aren't releasing it in full.
Everything else is just your own insanity. But don't worry - the Power of the Ignore button will protect your feelings.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
One might wonder how you explain or justify that often your repeated claim that they never met them in person?
because the report says they have physically met for 21 days.
also these same people
Neither referee disclosed "anything adverse" about Tarrant and vouched for him as being a "fit and proper person".
But the gaming friend, the inquiry found, was "well aware" of Tarrant's extremist political opinions and that he was racist and Islamophobic. They did not tell the vetting officer.
Ps don't bother with answering, the fact you were so clearly and so obviously wrong, yet will never admit it, is by far more than satisfying enough.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
one placenta
...the truth is a bitter pill to swallow, and irrespective of what truths you follow, the pill never seems to sweeten...
The Majestic Metal Wizard
A Whole 21 days?!?!
Because you really know a persons character from 21 days.
/Sarcasn
The referee I used had known me Personally for 16 YEARS, which includes a period of about 5 years seeing them at least once a week for Band Practice.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Geriatric hoon
Really there are no excuses. This was a total fuck up by the police on a number of levels.
Firearms licence applications are not processed by one person. Normally it would be at least two people locally, possibly three, if the boss is doing his job. Then it would go off to National HQ where other people (at least two?) would check it before issuing the licence. If any one of those people had done their job properly his application would have been stopped.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Absolutely.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
Totally for sure, it was a whole series of fuck ups, by police and other agencies and a whole raft of loopholes that where left open due to greed of the gunshops and people wanting stuff for fun rather then having a genuine need but most were oversights, Yet the referee lying is more than an oversight though.
Also, there is a clear difference between not meeting someone and meeting someone. note TDL will never admit that even though he claimed for months the shooter had never had met the referees.
1Gaming friend and their parent both held firearms licences with B and E Endorsements. This entitled them to possess pistols and military style semi-automatic firearms and indicated that they had already been subject to New Zealand Police vetting that was more extensive than that required for the standard firearms licence the individual was applying for.
Both referees considered the individual to be safe with firearms. Gaming friend said the individual was “well aware of safety and proper handling of firearms” and that he was a sensible, responsible person. Gaming friend’s parent stated that the individual was a “good, outstanding young man” and gave their opinion that the individual was “good and safe” with firearms.
A good outstanding young man.
A nice person.
Both referees said that they had shot with the individual and supported his application (see Part 4, chapters 2 and 4).
Been out with me – done some range shooting and instructed in care and safety with firearms.
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Gaming friend’s parent was asked “Do you know of any reason whatsoever as to why police should refuse to issue a firearms licence to the applicant?” They replied “No”. When asked “Why do you hold this view?”, the gaming friend’s parent’s response is recorded as “No reasons known” and “Fully supportive”.
Gaming friend’s response to the same set of questions is recorded as “No reasons known”.
Gaming friend was known to New Zealand Police and the New Zealand Customs Service due to their attempted importation of an offensive weapon and firearm parts without the necessary permits to import. This information was on their National Intelligence Application printout when the Licensing Clerk reviewed it. New Zealand Customs Service’s records note the following:
In May 2014, gaming friend tried to import a knuckleduster knife. Knuckledusters are considered offensive weapons and require a New Zealand Police permit to import them. The item was intercepted by New Zealand Customs Service at the border. New Zealand Customs Service officers contacted New Zealand Police who confirmed that gaming friend did not have the necessary permit. The knuckleduster knife was, therefore, seized.
In December 2015, gaming friend tried to import four firearm parts - one cheek riser for a Magpul CTR/MOE stock, one AK47 Nato US stock, one AR15 buttstock extension tube and one AKM4 stock adapter for a collapsible stock. The items were intercepted by New Zealand Customs Service at the border. As gaming friend did not have the required import permit, the items were seized.
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Following the December 2015 incident, the District Arms Officer in Waikato contacted gaming friend, gave them a verbal warning and told them that they would not receive the items.
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The National Intelligence Application printout for gaming friend’s parent showed they had four convictions:
refusing an officer’s request to undergo an evidential blood test on 14 July 1989;
producing a logbook33 that contained false particulars on 14 July 1989;
producing a logbook that omitted a material particular on 14 July 1989; and
driving with an excess proportion of alcohol in their breath on 15 March 1991.
During the vetting interview, gaming friend described the individual as a friend. They said that their initial contact with the individual, ten years earlier, had been through “video games etc” and that they had been in regular contact since. They noted the individual was an Australian, “widely travelled” and had recently come to New Zealand and would “probably settle here”.
Gaming friend’s parent also described the individual as a friend and said they had known him for four years.Gaming friend first met the individual in 2007 through playing online video games and, prior to the individual applying for a firearms licence, had spent approximately 21 days with him in person in New Zealand in 2013 and August 2017.
Gaming friend’s parent first met the individual in 2013, when the individual stayed with the family. The individual spent further time with gaming friend’s parent when he stayed with the family in August 2017. Over these two visits, the individual spent seven days in total at the house of gaming friend’s parent and, in this sense, had spent some seven days in their company. Gaming friend’s parent and the individual did not interact online
When New Zealand Police interviewed the individual’s two referees, and they had the same answers, why did it not raise any alarm bells?
The referees gave similar, but not the same, answers to the vetting questions. Each of them was interviewed in Waikato by the same Vetting Officer but on different days.
Gaming friend described the individual as a friend whom they had known for ten years, initially meeting the individual through playing video games online and that they had been in regular contact since that time. Gaming friend’s parent described the individual as a friend whom they had known for four years.
Both referees said that they had gone shooting with the individual and supported his application. Both are recorded as having responded “No reasons known” in response to a question of whether they knew of reasons why a licence should be refused. We take this as recording the substance of the answers given – that they were not aware of reasons why a licence should be refused.While gaming friend had interactions with the individual in which the individual expressed far right political, racist and Islamophobic views, gaming friend did not usually respond to, or engage with, these expressions of opinion. Likewise, gaming friend did not object to them.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
Did the gun shops not work within the confines of the law? They are a business, they are there to sell guns etc for a profit. If they acted outside of the law then they deserve blame but if they didn't then...
Anorak
They brought in firearms especially modified to circumvent the law, A law that was solely designed to make them illegal, they did this knowingly, it being dubiously legal is not an excuse, Whilst they might not have a legal case to answer, ask yourself if the incident was made easier due to this policy to circumvent the law so to create additional profits?
At which time does the responsibility also partly fall on them?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105...tomatic-rifles
Not much different than Ford and the pinto.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...pinto-madness/
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Geriatric hoon
That too is true.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Just what are they hiding??? I could understand police, first responder, doctors on scene witnesses have gbtheir names suppressed permanently if desired.
But govt ministers and public servsnts???? WTF....
I bet the redaction is because they prob provide contradicting accounts of something...
As for the idea about not providing a “ how to future manual” that is laughable.
Even the state owned tv station shows police reality shows, docos, movies showing forced entry, mobile attacks, snipers the whole show....
Then there’s the myriad of computer games where you could “train” for anything and desensitise the emotions etc....
God if only we had journos that could think on the fly and ask the hard questions...
Govt gives you nothing because it creates nothing - Javier Milei
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
So when’s worksafe joining the party, oh that’s right they only prosecute hero’s...
But in all the gun hysteria the church/council should be in the firing line over inadequate emergency exits and entry security. Since 911 muslims have been disliked by some and then you’ve got chch’s shocking history of racist skinheads attacking people...
Govt gives you nothing because it creates nothing - Javier Milei
Forum whore
With that explanation then I see your point and agree. Thanks.
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