View Poll Results: Which firearm types do you own?

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  • Shotgun (single, double, pump, lever, bolt)

    291 31.91%
  • Shotgun Auto (non MSSA)

    96 10.53%
  • Rifle (single, double, pump, lever, bolt)

    408 44.74%
  • Rifle Auto (non MSSA)

    177 19.41%
  • MSSA

    66 7.24%
  • Pistol

    78 8.55%
  • Black powder (rifle, pistol, shotgun)

    35 3.84%
  • Air/Gas (pistol, rifle)

    313 34.32%
  • un-armed

    305 33.44%
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    They brought in firearms especially modified to circumvent the law, A law that was solely designed to make them illegal, they did this knowingly, it being dubiously legal is not an excuse, Whilst they might not have a legal case to answer, ask yourself if the incident was made easier due to this policy to circumvent the law so to create additional profits?
    At which time does the responsibility also partly fall on them?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105...tomatic-rifles
    Not much different than Ford and the pinto.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...pinto-madness/
    Piss poor law then innit?

    And worse, tptb ignored requests from 'the gun lobby' (whoever they are) to put large capacity magazines in the 'E" catagory list.

    But tptb knew better and didn't.

    So Tarrant bought them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    They brought in firearms especially modified to circumvent the law, A law that was solely designed to make them illegal, they did this knowingly, it being dubiously legal is not an excuse, Whilst they might not have a legal case to answer, ask yourself if the incident was made easier due to this policy to circumvent the law so to create additional profits?
    At which time does the responsibility also partly fall on them?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105...tomatic-rifles
    Not much different than Ford and the pinto.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...pinto-madness/
    ..they also bring in fucking ridiculously fast motorcycles or cars that can be pointless for our laws but enthusiasts can make them even more ridiculous to our laws by enhancing their capabilities...just another joe blow in charge of a lethal weapon...depending on circumstance and headspace, just another killer on the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellipsis View Post
    ..they also bring in fucking ridiculously fast motorcycles or cars that can be pointless for our laws but enthusiasts can make them even more ridiculous to our laws by enhancing their capabilities...just another joe blow in charge of a lethal weapon...depending on circumstance and headspace, just another killer on the road...
    The analogy lacks a bit, IMO would be more relevant the government had specifically had banned a bike, say a Hayabusa, They did so on the basis of safety, then suzuki imported the bike anyway just with different handgrips getting around the ban by calling ita hayabusia .....
    Can you imagine this happening?

    Remember how yamaha kawasaki and Honda stopped making three wheelers?

    his would be the last Generation offered for sale, discontinued in the United States in 1986, after an agreement between manufacturers and the Consumer Product Safety Commission to cease production on all 3-wheeled ATVs resulting from thousands of legal battles regarding safety issues and high accident rates. US Dealers were instructed to remove the motors and other common parts of remaining models, and then cut the frames in half to prevent new sales
    The 2008 Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) banned three-wheel ATVs.
    Can you imagine Honda putting on a removable jockey wheel on a ACT250R and saying look its legal its actually a 4 wheeler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    And worse, tptb ignored requests from 'the gun lobby' (whoever they are) to put large capacity magazines in the 'E" catagory list.
    ...
    You said this previously, I asked you for the quote?
    https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131174405
    Can you produce a quote for it?
    Oddly the only ones I can find is the NZ lobby group describing it as being the best in the world?
    https://www.nranz.com/assets/Documen...OSC-Report.pdf

    COLFO New Zealand already has world leading requirements for the legal use of firearms and largely all that can be done is done to prevent criminal misuse: COLFO is of the view that New Zealands’ legislation is world leading. For its cost, effectiveness and results the New Zealand framework is simply as good as it can be and remains comfortably fit for purpose. COLFO considers that its members and the public can and should take pride in the system
    COLFO opposes:
    Any amendment to the Arms Act (except as regards tariffs for offending) as this
    will make no difference whatsoever to the criminal misuse of forearms;
    Any re-classification of semi-automatic rifles and shotguns to an “E”
    endorsement as this will make no difference whatsoever to the criminal use of
    firearms and will be counterproductive;
    Any restrictions on the lawful use of the firearms as this will make no difference
    to the criminal misuse of firearms and will be counterproductive.
    Paula benefit was the last minister who objected to the changes needed
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...mmittee-report
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    Reading the excerpts posted by Husa and as posted.

    I see multiple instances where the Police (with full access to all the required information, as per the excerpts) had grounds to at least review the application.

    At this rate, I believe the only reasonable thing to do would be to run a Buy-Back on all the Police owned Firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    They brought in firearms especially modified to Comply with the law
    Fixed it for you.

    If you remember, there was a court case, and the Judge ruled that the Police didn't get to interpret the law, the courts did.
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    This thread seems the best place to park this.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nra-f...b697df1a05a548
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    This thread seems the best place to park this.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nra-f...b697df1a05a548
    in its press release, the group is more likely fleeing a state where the the attorney general is seeking to shut the gun group down after it was discovered the group has lost $64 million over three years.
    In 2016, the NRA spent more than $30 million on behalf of the Trump campaign.
    NRA also spent $54 million on the 2016 elections in total.
    But as the muller investigation found, what we know is a lot of that was money from Russia.

    Also like trump, they don't pay tax.
    they suggest the reason they are bankrupt is covid 19, which is odd as trump says he managed that so well.

    From what I can find they spent at least 20 million either opposing Biden or supporting Trump in 2020 which is interesting if they are bankrupt.
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    There was the spy, Maria Butina, who was organising a funding back channel from Russia through the NRA to the Republican Party. IIRC she's out of jail and back in the Motherland now.

    I was always mildly amused when she was stated to be a representative of a Russian gun rights group. How gullible do the NRA have to be to believe that Putin would tolerate opposition to his policies from a gun rights group. Or any similar group. They'd be candidates to meet his friend Novichok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    There was the spy, Maria Butina, who was organising a funding back channel from Russia through the NRA to the Republican Party. IIRC she's out of jail and back in the Motherland now.

    I was always mildly amused when she was stated to be a representative of a Russian gun rights group. How gullible do the NRA have to be to believe that Putin would tolerate opposition to his policies from a gun rights group. Or any similar group. They'd be candidates to meet his friend Novichok.
    She was many of the many arrested in that investigation trump likes to say found nothing....... even when thy pled guilty and he has pardoned them afterwards.
    Rodger Stone
    Sentenced to serve 40 months in prison for convictions on charges of making false statements witness tampering, and obstruction in connection with the Russia probe.
    Stone, who has worked as a political consultant for Trump since the 1980s, was convicted in a Washington, D.C. federal court on November 15, 2019 on five counts of obstruction of justice, one count of making false statements to Congress, and one count of witness tampering.

    Michael Cohen
    Trump’s former personal lawyer and “right-hand man” Michael Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison on fraud and lying charges, weeks after Mueller released a memorandum that detailed more than 70 hours of cooperating and witness testimony.

    Paul Manafort
    Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was found guilty on eight federal counts of bank and tax fraud and pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice and one count of conspiracy against the US.

    Konstantin Kilimnik
    Mueller charged Manafort’s “right-hand man” Konstantin Kilimnik in June with witness tampering in a superseding indictment that charges the Russian citizen and Manafort with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice.

    Sam Patten
    Republican lobbyist On August 31, Republican lobbyist Sam Patten plead guilty in federal court for failing to register as a foreign agent while he lobbied on behalf of Ukrainian interests in the US.

    Rick Gates
    In October 2017, Gates was indicted along with Manafort on 12 counts, including conspiracy against the US, making false statements, and failing to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. He at first pleaded not guilty on all counts.

    George Papadopoulos
    a former Trump campaign adviser
    On the same day Mueller’s office announced the indictments of Manafort and Gates, it was revealed that George Papadopoulos, a 30-year-old former Trump adviser, had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia.
    He was arrested October 5, 2017, and subsequently cooperated with Mueller’s team. Papadopoulos is currently serving a 14-day prison sentence for lying to the FBI.

    Michael Flynn
    Trump’s former national security adviser
    On December 1, 2017, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his conversations last December with Russia’s ambassador to the US at the time, Sergey Kislyak.
    An indictment filed by Mueller’s office said Flynn “falsely stated” on December 29, 2016 that he did not ask Kislyak “to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day,” and that Flynn did not recall Kislyak “subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request.”

    13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/grand...heme-interfere
    plus 12 Russian intelligence officers
    names not available

    Richard Pinedo
    California businessman Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to one count of identity fraud on February 12, according to court documents.
    The plea deal’s release came immediately after Mueller’s office announced charges against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of interfering in the 2016 US election by mounting an elaborate and multi-faceted social media influence operation meant to sow political discord during and after the race.

    Alex van der Zwaan
    a Dutch lawyer Alex van der Zwaan pleaded guilty on February 20 to one count of making false statements to federal investigators.
    represents the interests of numerous Russian oligarchs. He is also the son-in-law of German Khan, the Ukrainian-Russian billionaire who controls Russia’s Alfa Bank.
    The institution attracted scrutiny last year, when a dossier published by former British spy Christopher Steele alleged that Alfa Bank had played a role in meddling in the 2016 US election.

    Unlike Trump it seems putins that popular like Hitler and Mussolinidid, they don't feel they need elections anymore
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    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...-terror-attack

    So, the Buy Back did nothing to reduce Gun Crime.

    This should come as no surprise to anyone who thought for a moment about the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...-terror-attack

    So, the Buy Back did nothing to reduce Gun Crime.

    This should come as no surprise to anyone who thought for a moment about the issue.
    Kwell surprise eh!

    But some will say "Oh but it would be much worse if we didn't have these new laws..".)
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    The NZ Police have just sent me a reminder that the buy back ends on the first of May. After 1 May an amnesty will run until 1 August. That's like a buy back except that it's just a take back. No cash.

    It gives links to where you can find details as to what firearms and kits are affected and it gives you phone numbers. There is also additional info for dealers and people who wish to retain their newly prohibited firearm.

    I thought it might be useful to post the email in its entirety here but then I read this:

    WARNING

    The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents.

    Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately


    I've read some stupid privacy warnings from Government departments but that one takes the cake. Having read that, however, there's no way I'm posting a copy of their email here. Y'all will need to ring their number 0800 311 311 or you could email buyback2021@police.govt.nz

    Good luck with that, their phone system ranks about equal with their privacy statement.
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    The New York Attorney General is conducting bankruptcy proceedings against the NRA. A large part of the evidence concerns the millions that Wayne LaPierre who heads the NRA has spent on travel. Particularly his profligate use of private jets. So recently he arrived in New York to attend the hearing - in a private jet. Somebody should perhaps explain 'optics' to Mr LaPierre?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzanne...h=220ecf6338ed
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    The New York Attorney General is conducting bankruptcy proceedings against the NRA. A large part of the evidence concerns the millions that Wayne LaPierre who heads the NRA has spent on travel. Particularly his profligate use of private jets. So recently he arrived in New York to attend the hearing - in a private jet. Somebody should perhaps explain 'optics' to Mr LaPierre?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzanne...h=220ecf6338ed

    And to think I shake my head at the air travel of our MPs - theyre just amateurs compared to this guy.

    (But the Green MP's are not leading by example)
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