The firearm thread

[FJRider]

Not mine, the Governments

Principals of convenience. A bit like yours ...

Do you want to take the chance?

Even those intentionally shooting at me missed. I'll take that chance ...

A friend of mine got woken up by what he thought was a car backfiring - turns out it was a Gang shooting, he went outside to see what happened (didn't realise it was Gunfire) - what if they had taken a shot at him?

They didn't because he wasn't the target ...

And firstly - I'm genuinely thankful for your service.

Don't thank me ... I didn't do it for you. It just seemed like a good idea at the time.

For the last part however - It's easy to say you'd be okay with it. when you have no skin in the game. When you've invested your own time, money and effort into something, it changes things.

I mailed home a complete M60. About 30 (or more) years ago they had an arms amnesty. I handed it in. They paid me nothing. Not even what it cost me in postage to mail it home ... It changed nothing.

Maybe it was just my principals ...

[FJRider]

It was on the TV1 news this morning ... that the Amnesty for weapons ends tomorrow.

[TheDemonLord]

It was on the TV1 news this morning ... that the Amnesty for weapons ends tomorrow.

So the only figures I could find for how many were handed back in the latest amnesty...

463.


It's even more pitiful than the ~60,000 that were handed back in the last buy back - at best, less than 30% handed in.

[TheDemonLord]

Some will never pay their fines ... because they have no money.

Some are even happy to go to jail for a few months to get their fines cancelled. Go figure ...

Fines are a good idea in principal. For those that HAVE principals.

And what happens then, after Jail time or other consequences?

Those shooting rabbits ... wont be having much to do with those shooting Muslims. Hardly a "Shared Enjoyment" ...

Except the shooting part. Both parties (by their own statements and not one I agree with) would say they were dealing with an invasive pest.

Would YOU be happy to go shooting with him ...

Definitely not.

His imagination must be as huge and demented as yours. You probably WOULD like to go shooting with him ...

Not really, he accurately predicted the NZ Government's response, his hope that this would trigger an attempt to do the same in the US was a little hopeful - but the likes of the BLM riots - that was exactly what he wanted to happen - only he wanted it to devolve into a full-scale civil war.

His imagination was neither huge nor demented - that is perhaps the scariest part.

To my knowledge ... Greenpeace don't use firearms. And you don't think.

His ultimate goal was that of reducing the global population to allow nature to Flourish. I can point to Articles in the likes of the Guardian that support a reduction of the Populace to help 'save the climate', there's also implied statements from Greenpeace on this as well.

I've been quite vocal on my dislike of those types of people, hence why I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the Fuckwit.

[TheDemonLord]

Principals of convenience. A bit like yours ...

Mine are fairly consistent, as evidenced by the number of people I disagree with, but still champion their rights to disagree with me.

Even those intentionally shooting at me missed. I'll take that chance ...

That's because yours was a Voluntary action - you chose to sign up, go through basic etc.

Someone sitting at home, minding their own business to be woken up by a Gang Shooting - did they volunteer for that?

They didn't because he wasn't the target ...

But he was a Witness... Snitches get Stiches as the phrase goes.

Don't thank me ... I didn't do it for you. It just seemed like a good idea at the time.

Regardless of your reasons, it's still something I'm grateful for.

I mailed home a complete M60. About 30 (or more) years ago they had an arms amnesty. I handed it in. They paid me nothing. Not even what it cost me in postage to mail it home ... It changed nothing.

Maybe it was just my principals ...

Maybe - but did you actually buy the M60?

[FJRider]

Mine are fairly consistent, as evidenced by the number of people I disagree with, but still champion their rights to disagree with me.

And I consistently tend to disagree with you. As is my right. As do others disagree with you. As is their right.

If a large number of people disagree with you ... perhaps you might consider that it is YOU that might be wrong.

That's because yours was a Voluntary action - you chose to sign up, go through basic etc.

That wasn't why I joined. The action in question didn't "Officially" happen. There was no war. The "Official Secrets act" (of which I signed) ... prevents it being public knowledge. The full where and why ... you don't need to know.

Someone sitting at home, minding their own business to be woken up by a Gang Shooting - did they volunteer for that?

As above ... I'm probably just as much a witness as your mate. When the shooting started ... I didn't want to be there either.

But he was a Witness... Snitches get Stiches as the phrase goes.

See above ...

Regardless of your reasons, it's still something I'm grateful for.

I wasn't there for gratitude. Yours or anybody elses.

Maybe - but did you actually buy the M60?

The Military term is "Captured" ...

As I have ALREADY said ... you do not realize how much it cost me in postage to get it home ... Costs are costs ...

[FJRider]

And what happens then, after Jail time or other consequences?

Usually ... MORE fines ...

Except the shooting part. Both parties (by their own statements and not one I agree with) would say they were dealing with an invasive pest.

So ... you do NOT/WOULD not have a shared enjoyment of shooting with HIM. What makes YOU different to shooting with any OTHER shooter ... Only the target varies.

Definitely not.

So much for "Shared Enjoyment of Shooting" ...

Not really, he accurately predicted the NZ Government's response ...

That he'd be in custody by nightfall ... ???

His imagination was neither huge nor demented - that is perhaps the scariest part.

Sounds like you agree with his aim ... (excuse the pun) ... or like his demented imagination ... you might have more in common with him than you think ...

His ultimate goal was that of reducing the global population to allow nature to Flourish. I can point to Articles in the likes of the Guardian that support a reduction of the Populace to help 'save the climate', there's also implied statements from Greenpeace on this as well.

So ... Greenpeace need more wars to help achieve their aim ... (excuse the pun ... again) ...

I've been quite vocal on my dislike of those types of people

I hadn't noticed .... but with your shared enjoyment of shooting ... you might get on well with him ...

[FJRider]

So the only figures I could find for how many were handed back in the latest amnesty...

463.

Wars have been started with less ...

It's even more pitiful than the ~60,000 that were handed back in the last buy back - at best, less than 30% handed in.

Your guess ... at best. The only concern is which group is it that still have the most undeclared firearms in their possession .. ?? Gangs or your average law abiding (sic) citizen ... ??


Regardless of the actual class of weapons in their possession ... the important detail that actually isn't known (just uneducated guesses so far) is numbers. For EITHER group.

[R650R]

Incredible story, well worth watching, lucky guy...

[pritch]

Incredible story, well worth watching, lucky guy...

Scary stuff. I've seen a thread about that on a firearms related site I watch, it's slightly concerning that there is no explanation of the cause. The round was a sub calibre, sabot style, armour piercing round, apparently a double charge should not be possible, so why the gun exploded remains a mystery.

[onearmedbandit]

Can you point to a time in history where arbitrarily removing the rights from a group of people went well?

The right to own slaves?

[FJRider]

The right to own slaves?

Well ... the slaves liked it ...

[Laava]

The right to own slaves?

****tumbleweeds****

[husaberg]

To be fair his keyboard may have caught fire

[TheDemonLord]

And I consistently tend to disagree with you. As is my right. As do others disagree with you. As is their right.

If a large number of people disagree with you ... perhaps you might consider that it is YOU that might be wrong.

Or Righteous.

That's also a possibility.

That wasn't why I joined. The action in question didn't "Officially" happen. There was no war. The "Official Secrets act" (of which I signed) ... prevents it being public knowledge. The full where and why ... you don't need to know.

Where you conscripted at gunpoint?

Even when there was the Draft and Conscription, there were still conscientious Objectors

As above ... I'm probably just as much a witness as your mate. When the shooting started ... I didn't want to be there either.
See above ...

How many times has this happened since you've been living at your own home? That's where the comparison pales a little.

I wasn't there for gratitude. Yours or anybody elses.

And yet, you have it anyway.

The Military term is "Captured" ...

As I have ALREADY said ... you do not realize how much it cost me in postage to get it home ... Costs are costs ...

There's a discrete psychological difference between the two.

Similar to why people will buy something that is 99c but not if it's a Dollar.

You didn't pay anything to own it, you already owned it, postage was just to transfer it.