The firearm thread

[TheDemonLord]

TDL, Yes Charlottesville. Just because the organizer supported Biden, does not absolve all the other right wing nut jobs there.]That is a prime example of your eye patch at work, Oh the organizer was a Biden supporter, absolving all others of being right wing.

If you can be a Biden supporter and support the views that were, shall we say, common at Charlottesville, then it stands to reason that those views aren't 'Right Wing', they are something else.

Plenty of People in the Democrats (And labour in the UK) currently have got a number of Opinions on Israel, Plenty of people at Charlottesville ALSO have an opinion 'The Jewish Question'.

There's an Excellent quote from Jordan Peterson about this:

The radical rightists are playing identity politics just like the radical leftists. They just say "Yeah, the world is divided up on racial grounds, just like the radical leftists claim, and I happen to be white. And I'm going to win this game!"

Now, he uses Radical Rightists in the speech, but my view of this is: They are both playing the same game, they are on the same side of the political spectrum - The Libertarian Right Wing (that wants small Government and individual identities and individual rights is the polar opposite of the radical left that wants group identities and group rights.

I could be generous and grant you Horseshoe Theory, but I'm not feeling generous.

You could probably No True Scotsman me - the fact is that Group/collectivist identities (as expressed by the Far Left and the so-called 'Far right') is diametrically opposed to the individual world view of Conservatism. I'm half tempted to post the Wikipedia link to Conservatism and point out all the times it talks about 'The individual'

Give me a fuckin break. There is no depth to which you will not stoop to absolve the right. I'll give you this - in your desire to lean right and "win the argument", you do not even realize you are doing it. (my theory)

Eh, I'll get to that in a moment.

Your eye patch also gives you a very fuzzy perception of law and order. Fight like a fucker when it is left doing shit, but excuses galore when the right do it, hell you pretty much absolve the right for the last 5 to 10 years of doing anything much bad in your last laughable post.

Except for one teensy tiny detail - It's not the Right Wing that gets free reign in Universities, Social Media, Mainstream media etc. You can get on Mainstream TV and say:

"I'm a literal Communist" and no one batts an eye.
You could not say "I'm a literal Fascist/Nazi" and get the same treatment.

My personal preference would be that both groups of people would be yeeted into the persona non grata category. One is, the other isn't.

In terms of mainstream acceptability:

Does this prove my point? Can you show something at a Conservative or Republican conference with people echoing 'Far Right' Slogans?

As mentioned many times before to you, I advocate throwing ANY rioters, arsonists in jail, be they left or right. I simply don't care on that front.

But when I ask you to call them what they are, Communist Revolutionaries, you suddenly go Shy. When I point to the Mainstream Media running defense/interference for the causes of the Riots and show blatantly false headlines, you again go Shy.
You defend them against the accusation of being what they are as vigorously as I accuse them.

That's the sort of Tacit approval you're accusing me of.

Unlike yourself. If you were a motorcycle tyre, the right side would be absolutely melted and thrashed all the way to the edge - to the point Rossi would be proud, the left hand side would still be showroom shiny and have the little tags left over from the manufacturing process.

So, I'd be a NASCARBIKE then?

The whole left/right thing is being stoked to the max by each parties media, all to sell more advertising space.

I don't entirely agree, but I don't entirely disagree either....

Right now the likelihood of civil war is high within 3 to 6 years. Then Russia and China will mop up and our kids future will look very bleak indeed.

Right, stop there, Think.

Why.

If you earnestly believe that Russia and China will benefit, Why.

Do Russia and China have a shared Ideological tradition? One that makes them fundamentally opposed to Western Liberal democracy? With the fall of the Soviet Union - it was clear that trying to bash down the gates would never work.

Let me take a quick Segway, I know I've posted the Yuri Bezmenov clip before, but his talks on what the KGB was doing, specifically in Western Universities is entirely relevant:

You teach one generation of Students Marxist inspired crap (Post Modernism, Critical X theory, Feminism etc.), they go out into the real world and disseminate the ideas (for example, you've heard of Systemic Racism), then you get the next Generation - who are being taught by the first and they become even more Radical and so on and so forth.

I've said for ages that the opening salvo in the 'Culture wars' was in 2011, 10 years ago - enough for an entire generation to go through and become increasingly radicalized. Long enough for ideas to be inserted into the Public consciousness.

So, let's take your statement that Civil War is incoming and China/Russia are salivating at the Prospect - if that is the case, is it not reasonable then to conclude that for something so favorable to their end-goals to be happening, that they might have had a hand in it?

We do have documentation from the Cold War that showed the Soviets were indeed funding various groups in the west (McCarthy was right and did nothing wrong...), what reason do you have to presume that they stopped?

But by all means, keep doing the little jig your puppet masters are covertly taking great delight in triggering you to perform.

There's an alternative: If everyone called out the Communist nonsense for the poison that it is, they would loose almost immediately. This is where that comment of 'I'll get back to that' comes

Re-asserting the Liberal traditions of the West, that a Good Society is made up of Good individuals, telling people that a little bit of Patriotism is okay and that despite our past issues, we aren't that bad.

If things were back in Balance, then I might be more inclined to pick on the flaws of the Right Wing a little more vigourously - I mean, afterall, I've said many times that Judith Collins is a Cunt, so it's not like I'm blindly aligned...

It seems that the Battle Ground of Critical Race theory is going to be the key - See, if you read enough CRT, you'll notice that they are explicitly go after the ideals of Martin Luther King's "I have a Dream" Speech, because it promotes Colourblindness - which if you are wanting Communism along Racial Lines instead of Class lines is a bit of an issue, so they are promoting the 'raising of Racial Consciousness'.

They are specifically doing it to Children (this is where the teaching of CRT comes in, they may not be teaching the University course, but they are teaching the principles of CRT), and that happens to be one of the areas where people who aren't as well versed in this go 'Wait, What?' - because it is attempting to undo the last 60 years of thought on Race.

[F5 Dave]

Which is why thejesuslord has been on ignore for so long. I think it is Scumdog or skidmark wanking trying to get a rise by being a complete Turkey on the internet. No one is that stupid. Probably has r666 as another pseudonym.

[pritch]

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[sugilite:Me]

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All is well in the USA then - obviously

[pritch]

Not an argument I've advanced, so no comment.

As strange as it may seem, not every comment I make on KB is directed specifically at you.

No it wasn't. Not by the FBI definition and not by reality.

As it happens his final score failed to make the FBI definition of mass shooter by one. If someone is actively shooting people though, it would be prudent to consider it a mass shooting meantime.
And that is absolutely the sitation those present were faced with. The fact he came up one short of the normal definition is compeletely irrelevant to those there at the time. They were faced with an active shooter.

Your comments that the people who tried to stop him had criminal records is particularly weird, even for you. Is it that your position that only people with blemish free records are permitted to stop an active shooter?

Oh, and as for the little twat cleaning graffiti, there's a photo of Charles Manson playing guitar in church doing the rounds. Using your logic, if that photo had been shown at Manson's trial he might have got off.

[sugilite:Me]

If you can be a Biden supporter and support the views that were, shall we say, common at Charlottesville, then it stands to reason that those views aren't 'Right Wing', they are something else.

Since I'm stuck in a motel on a rainy day waiting for Jacinda and mob to open my home up to level 3, I'll reply. I doubt I'll reply to your rebuttal because as mentioned you are essentially paid to post during the week (btw your kidding yourself you do not spend a lot of work time doing it).

OK, away we go, I notice your lack of reference to the many tiki torch types and other right wind marchers that were there too. left wing tiki torch marchers, yeah right Oppps.

Except for one teensy tiny detail - It's not the Right Wing that gets free reign in Universities, Social Media, Mainstream media etc. You can get on Mainstream TV and say:

OK, I'll give to learning institutions, I'm fairly much taking your word for that (no point posting screes of evidence, I won't have time to read it). However, I won't give you social media or mainstream media, plenty of right wing nuts post on social when they are not getting banned for breaking rules, and the right wing have their own media outlets. I have both left and right mainstream media sites bookmarked and quite often enjoy comparing how both cover the same incidents, especially the comment sections. The accusations and howls of indignant often directly mirror each other.

"I'm a literal Communist" and no one batts an eye.they do.
You could not say "I'm a literal Fascist/Nazi" and get the same treatment.

No one bats an eye? Are you kidding? Right wind media screams commie, commie, socialist, socialist at every tiny opportunity. Oh you mean left wing media? Sure. But it goes the other way on the right. Actually it is just as interesting what BOTH mainstream media arms don't report on as much as what they do report on. Both are fairly evenly weighted in this regard.

Does this prove my point? Can you show something at a Conservative or Republican conference with people echoing 'Far Right' Slogans?

Again, you have to be having laugh, watch any trump rally, both from trump himself and his supporters. Good grief man.

But when I ask you to call them what they are, Communist Revolutionaries, you suddenly go Shy. When I point to the Mainstream Media running defense/interference for the causes of the Riots and show blatantly false headlines, you again go Shy.
You defend them against the accusation of being what they are as vigorously as I accuse them.

That's the sort of Tacit approval you're accusing me of.

I asked for data on the rittenhouse witness, you provided accurate proof. I did not rebut it. My silence in this case was time related. So your assertion that I somehow then defended him and others of his ilk is what I can only guess is you trolling me. The only times I can recall really digging in with you on your "deep knowledge" of people of whom you cannot possibly know well enough to be making the all sweeping judgements upon are the thunberg parents (after whittling down all your knowledge there, it just turned out to be the mum was a opera singer and some antifa t-shirts that may of, or not been photo shopped) and the cyclist who had the audacity to be wearing a mask while cycling, oh and something about a badge or whatnot on his bag. I have always advocated that law breakers such as the portland lot should be prosecuted for their lawlessness.

So, I'd be a NASCARBIKE then?

Yes, for ever on a boring right circular circle

If you earnestly believe that Russia and China will benefit, Why.

No wait you are right, I'm sure neither country would want to see that, or take advantage in a major way

Do Russia and China have a shared Ideological tradition? One that makes them fundamentally opposed to Western Liberal democracy? With the fall of the Soviet Union - it was clear that trying to bash down the gates would never work.

Let me take a quick Segway, I know I've posted the Yuri Bezmenov clip before, but his talks on what the KGB was doing, specifically in Western Universities is entirely relevant:

You teach one generation of Students Marxist inspired crap (Post Modernism, Critical X theory, Feminism etc.), they go out into the real world and disseminate the ideas (for example, you've heard of Systemic Racism), then you get the next Generation - who are being taught by the first and they become even more Radical and so on and so forth.


So, let's take your statement that Civil War is incoming and China/Russia are salivating at the Prospect - if that is the case, is it not reasonable then to conclude that for something so favorable to their end-goals to be happening, that they might have had a hand in it?

We do have documentation from the Cold War that showed the Soviets were indeed funding various groups in the west (McCarthy was right and did nothing wrong...), what reason do you have to presume that they stopped?

Just so I have this straight, you seem to suggest I'm saying Russia and China have a shared ideology, then go on to hypothesize a bunch of shit that I never mentioned, then present it as some sort of "gotcha" moment on me. Bloody hell

There's an alternative: If everyone called out the Communist nonsense for the poison that it is, they would loose almost immediately. This is where that comment of 'I'll get back to that' comes

Well, the interesting thing is, the surest way to keep communism out of the USA is to keep having free and fair-ish elections. Yet it is the right, mainly trump who is basically the republican party these days doing his darnedest to get as many Americans to lose faith in that very process. The culture and groundwork to keep that distrust going is the main factor that will bring about the pending civil war. Jan 6th is just a mere crumb of what is to come. I'll cover my take on the lefts current shenanigans at the end.

Re-asserting the Liberal traditions of the West, that a Good Society is made up of Good individuals, telling people that a little bit of Patriotism is okay and that despite our past issues, we aren't that bad.

From my direct experience, they have a long way to go on racism in the states, and woman's rights have a way to go too. No surprise that any perceived push that may go a bit to far in the opposite direction, the squeals from the former and current oppressors are hardly surprising, obviously your squeals put you right in among that group. "Even though we have oppressed, marginalized and abused you lot for centuries, how dare you have the temerity to rewrite the history books that we have so carefully crafted to cast ourselves in pious righteousness".

If things were back in Balance, then I might be more inclined to pick on the flaws of the Right Wing a little more vigourously - I mean, afterall, I've said many times that Judith Collins is a Cunt, so it's not like I'm blindly aligned...

You would not know balance if it hit you over the nut. Judith Collins is a crook, so no real points for disliking her. There are many aspects of David Seymour I can respect (I'd hate to see him leading the country though). I'm struggling right now to think of another polly in any of the NZ parties I can say that about. Does that make me right leaning?

It seems that the Battle Ground of Critical Race theory is going to be the key - See, if you read enough CRT, you'll notice that they are explicitly go after the ideals of Martin Luther King's "I have a Dream" Speech, because it promotes Colourblindness - which if you are wanting Communism along Racial Lines instead of Class lines is a bit of an issue, so they are promoting the 'raising of Racial Consciousness'.

They are specifically doing it to Children (this is where the teaching of CRT comes in, they may not be teaching the University course, but they are teaching the principles of CRT), and that happens to be one of the areas where people who aren't as well versed in this go 'Wait, What?' - because it is attempting to undo the last 60 years of thought on Race.

CRT has it's place, an open honest discussion on racism is yet to take place, particularly from the oppressors side. Honest balance needs to come about. But you know - humans. So that will never happen.
Humans love to hate down to the smallest denominator.
Families often hate each other
But will combine to hate neighbors.
Who will combine to hate neighbourhoods
Who will combine to hate other towns
Who will combine to hate other countries (and religions too if course)
Maybe we will see the human race combine to hate an alien race, if an AI has not already hit the exterminate button on us lol

Now my feelings on the lefts current state in the USA. The democrats have been poncing around like their power in Government is strong and everlasting. Twats. They are going to get a well deserved kicking even worse that the right got in the Trump era midterms. Biden has been breathtakingly ineffective at taking America forward, Harris has gone out of her way to show the American people why she should never be considered for the top job. She is in charge of the immigration issue, and she resisted visiting the border like it was just unnecessary to show she gives a shit. She is so dimwitted that she appears to think that even if a walkabout may not change much, it does change the impression of voters
As for the socialist/communism mob. Every time they try and advance their cause, be it through the actual system, or through violence such as Portland. They will get nailed by the VAST majority of left and right USA voters that hate the idea of that system. Until Trump
and mob destroy elections once and for all - then it is going to get really interesting.

Soooo, mid-terms, dems are going to get pasted, fuck they may not even take time out of their circular firing squads to notice they just created a lame duck president in Biden - or should I say lamer duck.
in the next presidential election, should the repubs run Trump, he will likely lose again and then he will ensure it is off to the races with civil war.
Should the repubs be smart enough to run with another candidate like Desantos (another dickhead, but not (quite) trump level dickhead) they could well win an honest election, then the civil war will be put on hold for a while longer - maybe.

I naively thought that Biden might make a real stand and try and fix the system, ban corporate donations, ban gerrymandering etc. After watching the likes of manchin and sinema in action, I realized there is no fix for corporate donations as there is way to many self interested snouts in that trough.

The USA political system is broken beyond repair, no matter what you say TDL.
I still say civil war is coming, I don't see anything good coming out of it if whatever side wins it.

[TheDemonLord]

Which is why thejesuslord has been on ignore for so long. I think it is Scumdog or skidmark wanking trying to get a rise by being a complete Turkey on the internet. No one is that stupid. Probably has r666 as another pseudonym.

I can confidently and definitively prove that I am Me, not some alias or Pseudonym.

Hell, Sugi has met me.

[TheDemonLord]

As it happens his final score failed to make the FBI definition of mass shooter by one. If someone is actively shooting people though, it would be prudent to consider it a mass shooting meantime.

Except he wasn't. See, there's a world of difference between actively shooting people, and shooting in Self Defence. The Key part is that one is instigated by the shooter, one is instigated by a 3rd party.

And that is absolutely the sitation those present were faced with. The fact he came up one short of the normal definition is compeletely irrelevant to those there at the time. They were faced with an active shooter.

Bull.

Do we need to post the video where we can see Kyle retreating before he was attacked? That's not the actions of an Active Shooter.

Your comments that the people who tried to stop him had criminal records is particularly weird, even for you. Is it that your position that only people with blemish free records are permitted to stop an active shooter?

No, My argument is that of the 3 people who attacked Kyle first, not one of them passes for being a decent Human Being.

Then I'm making an observation that when you've got a convicted Wife Beater, hitting someone who is down on the ground with a Weapon - you are taking the side of the Wife Beater, and from there I'm simply stating that this is the degree to which you have been mislead, that an otherwise Good Person is supporting Wife Beaters and Pedophiles, because of the lies you have consumed.

Oh, and as for the little twat cleaning graffiti, there's a photo of Charles Manson playing guitar in church doing the rounds. Using your logic, if that photo had been shown at Manson's trial he might have got off.

Such Hatred.

I think the venom you hold against him cuts to something deeper within you, I'm not sure what exactly, Something along the lines of Sour Grapes though.

Back to your Charles Manson comparison, You've called him an Evil Little Shit, You've called him a little Twat, you've presented a version of reality that requires Kyle to be some form of Comic Book super villain mastermind, You've dismissed the video evidence of his actions from that night, You've ignored the testimony, in court, of the person who survived, You've gone after the Judge, You've sided with Wife Beaters and Pedophiles:

What is the point when you accept that maybe you've got this wrong? But to do that would be to admit that you've been misled, and admitting you've been misled would require you to call into question those who did the misleading...

[sugilite:Me]

I can confidently and definitively prove that I am Me, not some alias or Pseudonym.

Hell, Sugi has met me.

Yep, he is real, I tried to help TDL in Dannevirke years ago (cannot remember what the issue was, just that I could not help much with it), still would help this fellow biker if was within my power to do so.

So TDL, one of your writings gave me a light bulb moment on how oblivious so many white people are to racism in the states (among many other western countries, nz included). You wrote about the left teaching CRT and it being handed down through future generations. Made me realize how so much of the teaching over the last 100+ years there is responsible for the avalanche of white people in the states being racist and not even realizing it. It is what they have been taught. Balance needs to come, and a certain amount of de-education needs to come with it. This causes pain and anguish to drop ones assumptions and beliefs and admit your culture was wrong to a much greater depth that you had been taught. It will never happen though, so we are in for years of the willfully ignorant squealing for years to come. Guess we better get used to that huh.

[F5 Dave]

So is he as stoopid in meat space? I'm sure this persona is a put on.

[F5 Dave]

. . .
So TDL, one of your writings gave me a light bulb moment on how oblivious so many white people are to racism in the states (among many other western countries, nz included). You wrote about the left teaching CRT and it being handed down through future generations. Made me realize how so much of the teaching over the last 100+ years there is responsible for the avalanche of white people in the states being racist and not even realizing it. It is what they have been taught. Balance needs to come, and a certain amount of de-education needs to come with it. This causes pain and anguish to drop ones assumptions and beliefs and admit your culture was wrong to a much greater depth that you had been taught. It will never happen though, so we are in for years of the willfully ignorant squealing for years to come. Guess we better get used to that huh.

I've been trying to de-program myself for years. Not hugely successful but trying. So much you hear is 'the marr-ies (sp intentional) get everything for free) , but there is an actual long term intergenerational effect of colonialisation that needs to be considered. And it all comes down to property ownership as it is in every country. In the UK it is classes but the effect is the same.

If your dad had enough to support a house, you may have struggled to pay mortgage, but all that money was not lost to rent. It was investment. That little bit had big benefits to every generation after.

Maori weren't actually able to borrow money at crucial times in history and there has been long term effects. Both in inheritance, education and generations of people considered opinions that they were lower class so that is their lot.

And Amerca is way more fucked up coming from slavery and then quite recent apartheid (although they called it something different).

[TheDemonLord]

Since I'm stuck in a motel on a rainy day waiting for Jacinda and mob to open my home up to level 3, I'll reply. I doubt I'll reply to your rebuttal because as mentioned you are essentially paid to post during the week (btw your kidding yourself you do not spend a lot of work time doing it).

OK, away we go, I notice your lack of reference to the many tiki torch types and other right wind marchers that were there too. left wing tiki torch marchers, yeah right Oppps.

I'm familiar with the ideology of the Tiki Torch types, They believe in Group Identity which is (In my opinion) fundamentally opposed to Right Wing Conservatism which has it's roots in Individual identity, that's why I don't reference them - because I don't consider them to be Right Wing - again, feel free to throw a No True Scotsman my way, but that's my view.

OK, I'll give to learning institutions, I'm fairly much taking your word for that (no point posting screes of evidence, I won't have time to read it). However, I won't give you social media or mainstream media, plenty of right wing nuts post on social when they are not getting banned for breaking rules, and the right wing have their own media outlets. I have both left and right mainstream media sites bookmarked and quite often enjoy comparing how both cover the same incidents, especially the comment sections. The accusations and howls of indignant often directly mirror each other.

So, for Social Media - I'll give you 2 examples, one which I doubt you'll do (but I find interesting) and one that is more objective.

On occasion, I like to re-read some past conversations I've had on here (for the days when it's very slow in the office) - and one thing that has stuck out for me, there are videos that people have posted - those that often advance the Left-Wing perspective are still there, in all their glory - but those that are on the spicier end of the Right Wing are often no longer available - as I said, I doubt you'll want to re-read screeds of text, but it's something I have found interesting.

For a more objective proof on Social Media - look at their Policies, specifically their Policies around Trans rights - they have adopted, wholly, the Intersectional World view, this is a Far-Left position (again, Intersectional comes from I believe Kimberly Crenshaw, who was inspired by the Italian Communist Gramsci).

To be clear, the Rules that Social Media have are founded in the Radical Left-Wing world view.

For the Media Outlets, I'll give you half of that, there are indeed a few Right Wing outlets and I completely agree that each side throws mud as you describe, and I'll use CNN and Fox as an example.

The difference is that Fox is very clear that it is a Right Leaning entity, they have a Bias, they are upfront about it, whereas CNN (which may as well be consider part of the Democrat party at this point) still tries to assert that it is neutral.

If we inhabited a World where there was just Fox News and CNN and each one were honest about their biases, then you would have Balance. I think I've used the example of 7sharp when it was Mike Hosking and Toni Street before, but in that show you had both perspectives given, Mike often with the right wing view, Toni with the left - and that worked and was the reason for it's initial popularity.

The other great example is the BBC - Once it was the Gold Standard in impartiality, with a broad range of programming - some catered to certain segments of Society (Eastenders vs University Challenge for example), but overall there was balance, bearing in mind that in the BBC charter it is explicitly to remain unbiased, but recent polling shows that people have the lowest confidence in the BBC than ever before.

No one bats an eye? Are you kidding? Right wind media screams commie, commie, socialist, socialist at every tiny opportunity. Oh you mean left wing media? Sure. But it goes the other way on the right. Actually it is just as interesting what BOTH mainstream media arms don't report on as much as what they do report on. Both are fairly evenly weighted in this regard.

Okay, I'll accept your first part, but that is not what I meant - Consider a hypothetical scenario where someone within the Media or political sphere, were to come on any reputable mainstream show or network, with a Swastika Armband, say "I'm a literal Nazi" and maybe "Hitler did some good things":

Would they be invited back to ANY show or Network to give an opinion piece or being a commentator? They would be blacklisted so hard and fast by everyone (Left, Right etc.).

That is what I mean.

Again, you have to be having laugh, watch any trump rally, both from trump himself and his supporters. Good grief man.

Okay, show me - from a Trump Rally - someone getting up on stage, throwing a Nazi salute and saying 'Sieg Heil' and being applauded by the crowd.

I'll wait.

I asked for data on the rittenhouse witness, you provided accurate proof. I did not rebut it. My silence in this case was time related. So your assertion that I somehow then defended him and others of his ilk is what I can only guess is you trolling me. The only times I can recall really digging in with you on your "deep knowledge" of people of whom you cannot possibly know well enough to be making the all sweeping judgements upon are the thunberg parents (after whittling down all your knowledge there, it just turned out to be the mum was a opera singer and some antifa t-shirts that may of, or not been photo shopped) and the cyclist who had the audacity to be wearing a mask while cycling, oh and something about a badge or whatnot on his bag. I have always advocated that law breakers such as the portland lot should be prosecuted for their lawlessness.

Okay, let me put it this way - before his explicit statement in court, given the other bits of information that are publicly known about him, I would have categorized his political beliefs as being Far Left, and if I did not have that statement, you would have as you say 'Dug in on my with my deep knowledge', when all the necessary information in and around the individuals already exists to make an accurate judgement.

To my view, you are granting them an unreasonable benefit of doubt and that is part of what allows them to proliferate.

Yes, for ever on a boring right circular circle

I'm glad you got the right turn joke

No wait you are right, I'm sure neither country would want to see that, or take advantage in a major way


Just so I have this straight, you seem to suggest I'm saying Russia and China have a shared ideology, then go on to hypothesize a bunch of shit that I never mentioned, then present it as some sort of "gotcha" moment on me. Bloody hell

You completely missed my point, I'm actually mostly agreeing with you - I'm asking you to then take your statement and reverse engineer it, in the context of the history of The East vs The West.

Yes, I did a fair bit of Conjecture, but Conjecture based on some very well documented historical precedents.

Well, the interesting thing is, the surest way to keep communism out of the USA is to keep having free and fair-ish elections. Yet it is the right, mainly trump who is basically the republican party these days doing his darnedest to get as many Americans to lose faith in that very process. The culture and groundwork to keep that distrust going is the main factor that will bring about the pending civil war. Jan 6th is just a mere crumb of what is to come. I'll cover my take on the lefts current shenanigans at the end.

The surest way is to stop funding it in Universities, stop supporting it via Major corporations (that one is hilariously ironic) and to refer to the various neo-marxist nonsense for what it is.

From my direct experience, they have a long way to go on racism in the states, and woman's rights have a way to go too. No surprise that any perceived push that may go a bit to far in the opposite direction, the squeals from the former and current oppressors are hardly surprising, obviously your squeals put you right in among that group. "Even though we have oppressed, marginalized and abused you lot for centuries, how dare you have the temerity to rewrite the history books that we have so carefully crafted to cast ourselves in pious righteousness".

So, I can agree in part with your first statement, to a point.

When you say 'may go a bit too far in the opposite direction', that's a little bit cute- when we are talking about opposition, I'm opposed to things like All female shortlists, or other 'Positive discrimination' tactics - because I hold the view that Discrimination is bad, no matter what the justification is. I want to know that the people who occupy certain positions got their on their own Merits, I don't care if that means 90% of them are Men or 90% of them are Women, all I want to know is that the process is fair.

Recently I saw an article about US University admissions that large numbers of White Students are (falsely) claiming some form of Minority background to improve their chances of getting in.

I'm opposed to a University entrance system whereby someones Race is taken into account - whether it's from the White Supremecist view of "gotta keep those N.... down" or from the Social Justice view of "Gotta get those straight white men out" - I'm opposed to both - and for the same reason:

Individual identity > Group Identity.

As an interesting aside on this - There have been a number of attempts to correct supposed Gender Biases in hiring, such as Blind Auditions for Orchestras or Removing gender Identifiers on CVs....

which were then reversed because it resulted in more Men getting the jobs (showing that there's not only an implicit Gender Bias, but it's the opposite to what was presupposed)

You would not know balance if it hit you over the nut. Judith Collins is a crook, so no real points for disliking her. There are many aspects of David Seymour I can respect (I'd hate to see him leading the country though). I'm struggling right now to think of another polly in any of the NZ parties I can say that about. Does that make me right leaning?

Baby Steps, My friend, Baby steps.

CRT has it's place,

That depends, Do you believe that Communist Revolutions, along racial (instead of Class) lines has a place?

an open honest discussion on racism is yet to take place, particularly from the oppressors side. Honest balance needs to come about. But you know - humans. So that will never happen.
Humans love to hate down to the smallest denominator.
Families often hate each other
But will combine to hate neighbors.
Who will combine to hate neighbourhoods
Who will combine to hate other towns
Who will combine to hate other countries (and religions too if course)
Maybe we will see the human race combine to hate an alien race,

So, where do you think the Conversation should go? I've referenced the 'I have a Dream' speech, which is a good place to start - from there I'd say it shouldn't be a conversation about Race but about Culture.

There are some Cultural practices that are objectively awful, some which are objectively good. There's a lot of grey area and that is where the conversation needs to happen.

As an example - the claim that America is Systemically a White Supremecist blah blah ignores the fact that Indians and Asians are out-performing White people.

I don't believe that has anything to do with Skin Colour and almost entirely to do with Culture. Same also goes for Black Communities with a plague of fatherlessness.

if an AI has not already hit the exterminate button on us lol

The funny thing about some of the AI experiments, let's just say, they aren't exactly 'Politically correct'

Now my feelings on the lefts current state in the USA. The democrats have been poncing around like their power in Government is strong and everlasting. Twats. They are going to get a well deserved kicking even worse that the right got in the Trump era midterms. Biden has been breathtakingly ineffective at taking America forward, Harris has gone out of her way to show the American people why she should never be considered for the top job. She is in charge of the immigration issue, and she resisted visiting the border like it was just unnecessary to show she gives a shit. She is so dimwitted that she appears to think that even if a walkabout may not change much, it does change the impression of voters

Indeed, one might even say they feel secure in their 'fortified' elections...

point scoring aside, Yes.

As for the socialist/communism mob. Every time they try and advance their cause, be it through the actual system, or through violence such as Portland. They will get nailed by the VAST majority of left and right USA voters that hate the idea of that system. Until Trump
and mob destroy elections once and for all - then it is going to get really interesting.

I agree... IF the voters know that they are Socialists and Communists.

Take BLM as a perfect example, despite the founders saying they are trained Marxists, despite their Logo literally being the Socialist Fist, despite their website previously saying 'Break up the Western Capitalist Patriarchal blah blah blah', you, yourself, still won't damn them in the way that I do.

That's because the cloak that the movement wraps itself in is one of Racial injustice, which the average person finds it difficult to argue against, for fear of sounding like or being called a Racist.

And without reading the reams of university texts and unraveling the labyrinthine citations, it's difficult for the average person to make the case against these.

Just look at our Back and Forth...

Soooo, mid-terms, dems are going to get pasted, fuck they may not even take time out of their circular firing squads to notice they just created a lame duck president in Biden - or should I say lamer duck.
in the next presidential election, should the repubs run Trump, he will likely lose again and then he will ensure it is off to the races with civil war.
Should the repubs be smart enough to run with another candidate like Desantos (another dickhead, but not (quite) trump level dickhead) they could well win an honest election, then the civil war will be put on hold for a while longer - maybe.

So, let me don my Metaphorical MAGA Hat and say 'Trump 2024' - I once put it like this:

"Every day of the Biden 'presidency' is a ringing endorsement of the Trump Presidency"

I don't expect you to agree with that (obviously), but the average voter who might have voted for Biden is certainly getting buyers remorse and going 'Well, was Trump that bad?'

As I said above, Baby Steps.

I naively thought that Biden might make a real stand and try and fix the system, ban corporate donations, ban gerrymandering etc. After watching the likes of manchin and sinema in action, I realized there is no fix for corporate donations as there is way to many self interested snouts in that trough.

Now, I don't want to impune your character here, but how could you NOT see that Biden was the very definition of the Establishment Candidate....

I'd suggest your hatred of Trump blinded you, I don't want this to sound mean.

The USA political system is broken beyond repair, no matter what you say TDL.
I still say civil war is coming, I don't see anything good coming out of it if whatever side wins it.

Broken Beyond Repair? I'm not so sure. All the things you mentioned as being Broken, I don't disagree with you - it's the beyond repair part that gives me pause, there's a the great balancing factor(s) - the US Constitution and the US Populace and I'm seeing some signs of hope - as I said above, the opposition to CRT and the realization that it requires people to see each other as their Race is starting to point the moderate masses in the right direction.

As for a Civil war? Maybe, if the Marxist march through certain institutions continues, then yes it will come - however, the realist in me sees the following:

On one side, you've got the types of rioters at Kenosha
On the other side, you've got people like Kyle.

And considering Kyle is 3 and 0, I've got my money who would be victorious. My Hope (and this would be the massive unknown) is that they would stick to the Constitution, or at least a re-imagined version of it, and correct some of the flaws that you pointed out.

That last part is pure conjecture, but I do feel in the collective American Psyche there is the individualist foundations and the notions of Freedom, rights, rule of law and limited Government that breeds a functional society.

If you reply, cool, if not - I'll still be here, for when you next want to chat.

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CRT has it's place, an open honest discussion on racism is yet to take place,

CRT has been mentioned here previously. For the record, it's a unversity level subject, normally taken as part of a law degree. It deals with racial discrimination in the US legal system. Only a halfwit would deny that such discrimination exists.

The Republicans have made it some kind of a bogey man, they always need bogey men to keep their easily (mis)led base riled up. Basically none of them have a clue what CRT entails. Some serious books have been written on the subject. What may be described as 'academic articles' here wlll almost certainly be idiot level misinformation.

It is very unlikely that any Republican politician ever studied CRT, so neither they nor their witless sycophants are qualified to comment.

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CRT has been mentioned here previously. For the record, it's a unversity level subject, normally taken as part of a law degree. It deals with racial discrimination in the US legal system. Only a halfwit would deny that such discrimination exists.

The Republicans have made it some kind of a bogey man, they always need bogey men to keep their easily (mis)led base riled up. Basically none of them have a clue what CRT entails. Some serious books have been written on the subject. What may be described as 'academic articles' here wlll almost certainly be idiot level misinformation.

It is very unlikely that any Republican politician ever studied CRT, so neither they nor there witless sycophants are qualified to comment.

Interesting, I thought from TDL's posts it was being taught right down to young child levels.

Rittenhouse has been acquitted of all charges.
Guess we can expect throngs of AR15 carrying "medics" popping off opposing political parties supporters - now this interesting precedent has been set.
Undoubtedly it will be right against left at first, then it will be left against right joining the healing murders.
I'm sure it won't fuel the ever looming civil war at all
Merca, gotta love it.

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Interesting, I thought from TDL's posts it was being taught right down to young child levels.

Rittenhouse has been acquitted of all charges.
Guess we can expect throngs of AR15 carrying "medics" popping off opposing political parties supporters - now this interesting precedent has been set.
Undoubtedly it will be right against left at first, then it will be left against right joining the healing murders.
I'm sure it won't fuel the ever looming civil war at all
Merca, gotta love it.

As the trial progressed the thought occurred that the little shit will likely do it again if he's acquitted. Now we await the outcome of the Achmaud Arbery killers' trial. Hopefully a more sane outcome but likely not.