The firearm thread

[TheDemonLord]

We can never know what the enactors had in mind when the 2nd Amendment was added to the constitution, but I'm reasonably sure they didn't mean the likes of these idiots when they wrote "well regulated militia".

If only they wrote extensively about what they meant....

Like the Federalist Papers.

If only...

Problem is that people make their own minds up however unlikely. I suspect that what they had in mind was something not unlike the National Guard. There is nothing about government over reach in the constitution either. That's some random lunacy from the conspiracy theorists, and God knows, there's no shortage of those.

Except the National Guard was formed well before the Constitution. So no, if they meant something like the National Guard, they would have said so.

[pritch]

Except the National Guard was formed well before the Constitution. So no, if they meant something like the National Guard, they would have said so.

You will note that the National Guard refer to themselves as 'organised militia' which is almost synonymous with well regulated militia.


https://www.nationalguard.mil/About-.../How-We-Began/

[TheDemonLord]

You will note that the National Guard refer to themselves as 'organised militia' which is almost synonymous with well regulated militia.

Almost... but not exactly.

Hence why 2A doesn't say National Guard.

[husaberg]

[sugilite:Me]

Guess they did not have the political chops to get the pollies in drag to take up their case.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...er-protesters/

And here we have a snapshot of the current state of the republican party with a top republican moaning about how they cannot even lie to the fbi anymore without getting in trouble. Easy to see why they resist common sense gun control laws eh.

[scumdog]

The president of the USA praises Adern on Gun laws. He is smart enough to ask a leader that has actually achieved something in this area. Smart. Meanwhile his ousted blow hard predecessor attends an NRA convention.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/01/b...nce-extremism/

Was Biden also smart enough to know about all the drive-by shootings that happened in NZ while our PM was in his country ??

[scumdog]

Culturally, suggesting that an 18 year old Texan shouldn't be able to buy guns unhindered is pointless. They just claim: "People die every day everywhere". The historical influence from their Cowboys and Indians heritage ain't gonna change. However there are many states in the US of a less third-world culture and that should present a good starting point for a 'lead by example' initiative.

I'm in London ATM. There's very little gun crime however knife crime has escalated hugely.

Wasn't the answer to the London knife problem was to make it law that knives aren't allowed to be too pointy?

[husaberg]

Wasn't the answer to the London knife problem was to make it law that knives aren't allowed to be too pointy?

how often do you see people kill multiple people in single location knife-killing sprees compared to firearms?
i can only find a few occasions.
the london bridge one. One in Japan where someone killed a heap of handicapped people plus one in chine where 8 men attacked a crowd


Interesting in the UK between 1977 and 2017 the UK population has increased by 10 million people .
the number of police searches o people has decreased.

[TheDemonLord]

Wasn't the answer to the London knife problem was to make it law that knives aren't allowed to be too pointy?

No shit, on another platform where I was discussing Gun Rights and Law - someone in seriousness suggested the following to stop Firearm crime in NZ

1: Written tests and Oral interview
2: Limit Muzzle Velocities so they aren't fatal
3: Make the projectiles less hard, so they do less damage.


I had a lot of fun pointing out the licencing process for part 1, the absurdity of Point 2 and how terminal ballistics and deformation of projectiles is a thing for point 3.

[TheDemonLord]

how often do you see people kill multiple people in single location knife-killing sprees compared to firearms?
i can only find a few occasions.
the london bridge one. One in Japan where someone killed a heap of handicapped people plus one in chine where 8 men attacked a crowd


Interesting in the UK between 1977 and 2017 the UK population has increased by 10 million people .
the number of police searches o people has decreased.

Isn't it interesting, that when London has the majority of Knife Crime and Boris was Mayor of London between 2008-2016, you see a general downward trend in Knife Crime.

When Sadeeq 'it's part of a modern city' Khan gets into power and revokes Stop and Search - Knife Crime for the country goes sharply (pun intended) up.

As for the first part, about as often as you see Mass Shootings in the UK or Peaceful Trucks or Suicide Bombers.

[sugilite:Me]

Was Biden also smart enough to know about all the drive-by shootings that happened in NZ while our PM was in his country ??

How many houses have died?
Yes it is really bad what is happening with these drive by house shootings, but not comparable to the countless people being murdered in the USA.

[TheDemonLord]

How many houses have died?
Yes it is really bad what is happening with these drive by house shootings, but not comparable to the countless people being murdered in the USA.

Okay then - serious question:

Suppose that one of these Gang attacks is successful - and enough people are shot/killed to constitute a 'Mass Shooting'

Then what?

Will you agree that the new laws (which you have been a fan of) have not worked?
Will you acknowledge that many of the predictions made by Firearm Owners, in NZ, were correct?

Because from my perspective, if this keeps happening, it will be a case of throw enough shit at the wall, eventually something will stick.

[sugilite:Me]

Have their been any reports of what style of guns are being used in these drive by shootings of houses?
Are they the banned Military style semi-automatics and assault rifles?

[TheDemonLord]

Have their been any reports of what style of guns are being used in these drive by shootings of houses?
Are they the banned Military style semi-automatics and assault rifles?

We don't know... Because they haven't caught anyone.

There's been some comments that suggest/hint it was previously legal A-Cat Semi-Autos that were used (Not assault rifles - those are still perfectly legal on a C-Cat licence) - but nothing concrete.

However something to note - is that all the Politicians comments about it show an absolute ignorance about both our Firearm Laws and Firearms themselves - and whilst nothing new - it's irritating to read something so spectacularly wrong.

[Berries]

Okay then - serious question:

Suppose that one of these Gang attacks is successful - and enough people are shot/killed to constitute a 'Mass Shooting'

Then what?

Less gang members to worry about?