The firearm thread

[jrandom]

Does the little ol' HMR have what it takes for goats?

IMHO, no way. Goats require a centerfire calibre for a reliable and humane kill.

Also, I might have an option on a cheap(er) 7mm-08. Any advice against it?

I have an irrational preference for the .270, but... well, it's irrational.

Either cartridge offers a superior trajectory to the .308, and I suppose the shorter case of the 7mm-08 has some advantages.

[deanohit]

Does the little ol' HMR have what it takes for goats?

Yep, there was a guy who used a H&R single shot with the 20grain HP on goats, he did and article for NZ Guns & Ammo a few years back, took 2 shots, 1 shot to the neck, which would have been fatal on it's own, and one to the base of the skull.
From what I read, the wee 17grain varmint round doesn't stay together enough to fully penetrate.

[Drunken Monkey]

I saw a segment on those puppies on 'Future Weapons' on the Discovery channel a couple months back.

Gotta admit, a standard 3" 12-gauge round that turns your shottie into an RPG is awesome, and by awesome, I mean totally sweet.

I saw that same episode. It made me crap my pants I was that excited!

[ManDownUnder]

IMHO, no way. Goats require a centerfire calibre for a reliable and humane kill.

Ta - totally agreed in principle. Any second opinions?

I have an irrational preference for the .270, but... well, it's irrational.

Thanks - I have to admit I prefer the 270 too, but that's simply a paper based preference, never having even fired a round...

Without blowing smoke up your butt - it's hard to not respect such honesty.

[jrandom]

Thanks - I have to admit I prefer the 270 too, but that's simply a paper based preference, never having even fired a round...

I've played with a friend's .270, and I love it to bits.

Edit: To be specific, I was shooting reliable 1.5" groups at 100 yards off the shoulder after 15 minutes of practice. The .270 just feels softer and more precise than a 30-calibre.

Haven't ever fired a 7mm-08, though. I suspect there wouldn't be much to pick between them.

A bit of googling on the subject reveals the expected online argy bargy over whether .270 or 7mm-08 is superior, with no real answer to the question.

If you can get a good rifle in 7mm-08 at a sharp one-off price, I'd say go for it. As I implied before, either calibre is, in my opinion, superior to .308 for hunting medium game in the field.

Without blowing smoke up your butt - it's hard to not respect such honesty.

[scumdog]

Does the little ol' HMR have what it takes for goats?

Also, I might have an option on a cheap(er) 7mm-08. Any advice against it?

Leave the fly-swatter for what it's meant to be used for.

A 7mm-08 will handle any hunting anywhere in NZ, if it is consistantly accurate buy it.

On the other hand I prefer my 308, used it since 1974 and believe in it totally, that being said there's a shitload of suitable calibres for NZ hunting, even a good sporterised 303 is any amount of gun.

But on the whole I would steer clear of 222, 223 etc type rifles, while I've also used them they are barely adequate and will let you down one day, they have no ability to get through scrb or penetrate an animal at an off-angle.

And the idea is one-shot kills EVERYTIME and not have to run the animal down pumping follow-up shots into it.

[chrisso]

Ive got a couple of WW2 .50 cal MG bullets. I reckon you could kill someone just by throwing the things at someone.How cool would a Barrett .50 be? David Koresh had several thats why the Feds were so wary at Waco.Not ideal weapon for Bunnies tho you could shoot em at 1000+ metres.

[Wolf]

Not ideal weapon for Bunnies tho you could shoot em at 1000+ metres.

How would you know you'd hit them? Hit or miss, there's going to be no evidence of a bunny at the scene.

[chrisso]

How would you know you'd hit them? Hit or miss, there's going to be no evidence of a bunny at the scene.

and who wants to walk 1 km to look for the remains of a rabbit!

[sAsLEX]

Ive got a couple of WW2 .50 cal MG bullets. I reckon you could kill someone just by throwing the things at someone.How cool would a Barrett .50 be? David Koresh had several thats why the Feds were so wary at Waco.Not ideal weapon for Bunnies tho you could shoot em at 1000+ metres.

Yeah I think it was something about the fact that a 50 cal round will go straight through a Bradley fighting vehicle?

How would you know you'd hit them?

Pink mist


Here is 750 odd metres hunting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyTR...eature=related

[sAsLEX]

.223 vs 308

[Wolf]

Pink mist

And you're supposed to see this bunny vapour at a kilometre? Even with top-of-the-line optics you'd be pushing it...

[sAsLEX]

And you're supposed to see this bunny vapour at a kilometre? Even with top-of-the-line optics you'd be pushing it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX4aqmbaGIo

Some 1400m + shots in there that you can see...... kinda

[Mr Merde]

Yeah I think it was something about the fact that a 50 cal round will go straight through a Bradley fighting vehicle?



Pink mist

A mate of mine had a bolt action Barret when they first came out. Told the police hye wanted a .50 calibre bolt action rifle, they must have thought he was after one of the old British calibres such as .505 Gibbs.

Anyway we shot it quite a few time at the Caldicot range (nr Newport, Sth Wales)

Just to add to the story in those days we could purchase depleted uranium ammunition for this rifle, 25 ukp per.

We tried a few.

[The Pastor]

well i just got given a jw-15, norinco .22lr bolt action.

the finish was pretty shit so i spend the day sanding it down and have just put the first coat of sanding selaer on, should look semi ok once ive finished with it, will post up some photos when its done.

Will get a cleaning kit tomorrow and clean the dirty basterd! its filtly as, i cleaned it as best as I could with a rag and some gun oil, but damn that bore is filthy!

the barel has some surface rust on the outside, what should i do about it?