The firearm thread

[Dai]

I've got a pump-action with a 18 shot mag, pistol-grip and laser sight BUT FOR SOME REASON IS NOT RESTRICTED.
Yet my 5-SHOT semi-auto with flash supressor needs an E-cat licence?????

Good old NZ Govt, run by idiots that we pay!!!!

Coz your semi has a flash suppresor it means it is a nasty military weapon fit only for you to go postal with.

Now if that semi auto had a muzzle brake instead, designed to limit recoil, then as long as it didnt have more than a 7 round mag, a pistol grip and a bayonet lug
then you wouldnt need the E cat.

[scumdog]

Coz your semi has a flash suppresor it means it is a nasty military weapon fit only for you to go postal with.

Now if that semi auto had a muzzle brake instead, designed to limit recoil, then as long as it didnt have more than a 7 round mag, a pistol grip and a bayonet lug
then you wouldnt need the E cat.

Muzzle-brake???
Shee-it, wish I'd thought of that before this, woulds saved me a lot of hassle.

[Wolf]

I've got a pump-action with a 18 shot mag, pistol-grip and laser sight BUT FOR SOME REASON IS NOT RESTRICTED.
Yet my 5-SHOT semi-auto with flash supressor needs an E-cat licence?????

Good old NZ Govt, run by idiots that we pay!!!!

You can "thank" that fucking lying MP who turned up in The House with a semi-automatic Norinco AK-47 copy and made a loud noise in parliament (with full media coverage) about how he bought a fully automatic assault rifle over the counter with no restrictions.

No restrictions except having to get a police clearance, sit and pass a firearms safety course and gain a firearms licence.

Fucking political grandstanding and the fact that the political journos are just as fucking stupid and easily led as the politicians themselves.

The bit that really bites is that I'm sure its an offence to enter parliament with a firearm unless you're a Personal Protection Specialist (aka body guard) and yet the lying cock got away with it because he had "highlighted important flaws in our legal system"...

[scumdog]

Too late, I had already got all the firearms I would need before that.

(and more since then)

[Dai]

You can "thank" that fucking lying MP who turned up in The House with a semi-automatic Norinco AK-47 copy and made a loud noise in parliament (with full media coverage) about how he bought a fully automatic assault rifle over the counter with no restrictions.

No restrictions except having to get a police clearance, sit and pass a firearms safety course and gain a firearms licence.

Fucking political grandstanding and the fact that the political journos are just as fucking stupid and easily led as the politicians themselves.

The bit that really bites is that I'm sure its an offence to enter parliament with a firearm unless you're a Personal Protection Specialist (aka body guard) and yet the lying cock got away with it because he had "highlighted important flaws in our legal system"...

We do as they say not as they do.

Just because we elect most of them it doesnt mean we have the right to expect them to work on our behalf.

Especially if the have an important agenda that they wish to fulfill.

You must realise that they are doing important work and cant be bothered with trivialities like actually listening and acting upon our wishes. By doing so it may somehow reflect badly upon their personal aspirations and possibly damage them financially.

Just be a good voter and come out every election tnhen go away and unles you are a minority that may may headlines, dont bothe them

[Mumbles]

If Own both rifles and am in POSSESION of a high capacity magazine capable of fitting the 10/22 and I do not have an E cat, then I am guilty of an offense.

Its not the use of such a magazine but the possesion of it and the possible use.

You will find that having a E cat License and owning both mag and gun will not get you off either, you have to have the "weapon" on you license (I.E your 10/22) or you can get into big trouble, noted this during a club 3 gun shoot, some of the guys TRIED to used their A Cat Mini 14's and borrowing 20 & 30 round mags to shoot the course of fire, only to be told you cant do that unless its on you "E". Which as a responsible club we had to enforce, (its not worth loosing all your guns over it). Some of these guys had E cat weapons but only with the fixed mag so made big courses time consuming

I say if you going to put 300 rounds down range and some one lets you use their “E cat” with factory ammo then take it Thanks god for members who share their guns

[Dai]

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I say if you going to put 300 rounds down range and some one lets you use their “E cat” with factory ammo then take it Thanks god for members who share their guns

Sorry to burst your bubble here but it is illegal for a holder of an E cat licence to allow it to be used by someone who doesnt hold a similar licence.

Unlike pistols where they can be used under supervision a MSSA cannot be loaned.

This is one of the things they have been trying to pass in the new laws the police are trying to introduce. The only one that makes sense.

Check out the "guide to Police Officers" on the police site.

Again you better inform your club members. They are all liable under the firearms laws of this country of an offence if they lend their E cat MSSA's to a non E Cat holder.

[mikey]

To own a 50 round banana mag you need to have an E cat licence.

There is, however, a funny little legal loophole that means that magazines, on their own, do not require a firearms licence to purchase.

One can, for instance, buy an A-cat L1A1 and then go straight out and anonymously purchase a standard 20-round magazine for it, thereby becoming instantly naughty in the sight of the law with very little effort.

I'm sure nobody would ever commit such a heinous crime, naturally.

which is how the wainui possum guerrila attakc squdron of mass death NAZI GAS CHAMBERS OF DOOM squad has one.
shame that there all shit shots, and are either drunk or blazed, strugglign to hold onto the back of the ute, let alone let rip a 50 round mag into a possum thats 3 meters away. still a lot of fun.

[R6_kid:Me]

which is how the wainui possum guerrila attakc squdron of mass death NAZI GAS CHAMBERS OF DOOM squad has one.
shame that there all shit shots, and are either drunk or blazed, strugglign to hold onto the back of the ute, let alone let rip a 50 round mag into a possum thats 3 meters away. still a lot of fun.

judging by that post i'd say you were a member...

[Swoop]

I've got a pump-action with a 18 shot mag, pistol-grip and laser sight BUT FOR SOME REASON IS NOT RESTRICTED.
Yet my 5-SHOT semi-auto with flash supressor needs an E-cat licence?????

Pump action does not fall under E-cat. Self-loading rifles only.


As others have said regarding the "just buy a big mag for the bolt action" excuse...
Simply having the 2 components on the same premises is enough for you to be in big guano. Case law exists in NZ already from precisely this event.

[Dai]

Pump action does not fall under E-cat. Self-loading rifles only.


As others have said regarding the "just buy a big mag for the bolt action" excuse...
Simply having the 2 components on the same premises is enough for you to be in big guano. Case law exists in NZ already from precisely this event.

Agree here. Mere possesion is an offence , if by having a mag it is possible to change an A cat rifle to an E cat.

I remeber in the UK that when semi auto rifles were made illegal the "practical rifle" shooters had the BLR refitted to shoot .223 and take AR15/16 magazines. 30 rounds with a lever action can be bloody fast.

Best I've done with my lever action '92 Rossi is 10 rounds of .44 mag. Range 20 yards, time 8 seconds. All in a 4" group.

Good enough for CAS

[Smokin]

this is the description of the one i was looking at:

Savage 93R17F

"Caliber .17 HMR Overall 39.5'' Barrel 20.75'' Twist 1 in 9'' Weight 5 lbs Magazine 5 rounds Stock synthetic Scope bases. Features: AccuTrigger, blued bolt-action, free-floating, button-rifled barrel, swivel studs with detachable magazine. Supplied with 3-9 x 32 Scope and Simmons Rings."

also comes with bag and some ammo.....
im looking at a target barrel model so its more acurate over long distances theese retail for $595 for one with out ammo or bag.

ive managed to get ahold of the importers factory in albany who recons he will do it for 495 with bag and ammo.... not bad aye

Thanks mate
I just bought a Savage 17hmr in stainless steel with a synthetic stock and varmint barrel, just sent my entry form back for the "Easter bunny shoot" down at Alexandra as well, Look out bunnies

[Sniper]

Thanks mate
I just bought a Savage 17hmr in stainless steel with a synthetic stock and varmint barrel, just sent my entry form back for the "Easter bunny shoot" down at Alexandra as well, Look out bunnies

You hunting in a team? Im hoping to head down that way too.

[Smokin]

Yep, I'm in a team, May be able to get you into our team if you are planning on going by yourself. It's an awesome weekend and it would have to be the highlight of the year for me. Can't wait.

[scumdog]

Slightly but I see armed London Police are having to increase their patrolling in the area due to three teenagers (two 15 year-olds and a 16 year old) being shot in the last fortnight, two wounded and one killed in gang related 'incidents'

Hoo- boy, those really tough Pommy anti-gun laws are REALLY paying off eh?

Kids in their mid-teens packing guns, oh yeah, those tough laws the wanker politicians said would make Britain safer have really hit home with the criminal element......just imagine the carnage if 15 year olds WERE allowed to carry guns...