The firearm thread

**Indiana_Jones** · 18th August 2009, 08:15

Originally Posted by jono035

Nope, same as A category. Doesn't matter if you have any firearms or not, you still need the storage facilities if you have the license. They will inspect the safe before they issue the license and maintaining it in is part of the conditions of the license...

What he said ^^^

-Indy

**ManDownUnder** · 18th August 2009, 08:37

Originally Posted by jono035

Nope, same as A category. Doesn't matter if you have any firearms or not, you still need the storage facilities if you have the license. They will inspect the safe before they issue the license and maintaining it in is part of the conditions of the license...

Awwww crap.

Time to get the welder out me thinks...

**Swoop** · 18th August 2009, 09:09

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Only if I have the firearms to go in it... no?

Cart before the horse. You have to get the security and the licence before you can purchase the firearm, so getting the safe organised first would be a good idea.
Secondly, safes do not cost "a grand" as some here are purporting.
A compliant safe can be made from old (end of useable life) LPG cylinders. Club members have done this previously. The cost is 2x cylinders, a lock and some time with a welder.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Why wouldn't I apply for one while it's free - or are there other costs involved?

Quite true. Apply while it is free.

**The Pastor** · 18th August 2009, 14:13

Originally Posted by Swoop

Cart before the horse. You have to get the security and the licence before you can purchase the firearm, so getting the safe organised first would be a good idea.
Secondly, safes do not cost "a grand" as some here are purporting.
A compliant safe can be made from old (end of useable life) LPG cylinders. Club members have done this previously. The cost is 2x cylinders, a lock and some time with a welder.

Quite true. Apply while it is free.

hey now thats a good idea!

but a welder costs more than a grand :P

**jono035** · 18th August 2009, 14:46

Originally Posted by Swoop

Cart before the horse. You have to get the security and the licence before you can purchase the firearm, so getting the safe organised first would be a good idea.
Secondly, safes do not cost "a grand" as some here are purporting.
A compliant safe can be made from old (end of useable life) LPG cylinders. Club members have done this previously. The cost is 2x cylinders, a lock and some time with a welder.

Quite true. Apply while it is free.

You're sure this is a way to build a safe to E-category compliance, not A-category (which only really needs a MDF cupboard)?

How thick are the LPG cylinders? Wall thickness on the safe needs to be 6mm from memory. There is also a whole slew of other requirements and the Arms Officer was very clear when I got mine that it had to be compliant in every way and that there were a lot of problems recently with people trying to get endorsements with non-compliant safes bought from various places around NZ.

According to the Central Shooters website the cheapest E-cat safe that is commercially available is $690 (probably only holds a 2-3 rifles), still a lot more than the $200 filing fee (which you could use to simultaneously apply for a pistol endorsement if you were keen).

Edit: RM - Yeah, and the skills required to use it. If you can weld it up yourself to a standard deemed acceptable by the NZ police then sweet as, go for it and good luck! It also seems like 6mm would be an unusually thick wall for an LPG cylinder, most (according to google) appear to be 1.5mm to 3mm.

**Mr Merde** · 18th August 2009, 14:56

Originally Posted by jono035

... (which you could use to simultaneously apply for a pistol endorsement if you were keen....

Since you are already applying why not put in for your C cat licence
Collectors licence then you could keep your fully automatic and short barreled firearms in the same safe.

**jono035** · 18th August 2009, 14:58

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Since you are already applying why not put in for your C cat licence
Collectors licence then you could keep your fully automatic and short barreled firearms in the same safe.

Yeah, I still need to dig up my endorsement application form and check that because that would be pretty damn cool.

Maybe for the future when I have a bit more money to throw around at toys though!

**Mr Merde** · 18th August 2009, 15:03

Originally Posted by jono035

Yeah, I still need to dig up my endorsement application form and check that because that would be pretty damn cool.

Maybe for the future when I have a bit more money to throw around at toys though!

For a collectors licence you need the same security conditions as a MSSA E cat endorsement.

For the C cat you need to write an essay explaining your particular interest in firearms. Make it broad or the powers will limit you.

$200 on its own or $200 with E cat. Since e cart is free why not try it on and lump the C endorsement with it.

You may get both for nothing.

PLAY THE RULES. CIVIL OBEDIENCE frustrates those who choose to dominate.

**jono035** · 18th August 2009, 15:58

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

You may get both for nothing.

Still need the full size safe and somewhere to put it though!

**sAsLEX** · 18th August 2009, 19:51

I do find it interesting that you require a safe in order to have a license.

Do you need a car for a drivers license?

On a firearms in the public image point...... someone told me that tonight's episode of Home and Away had an incident were some boys find some guns, shoot some bottles, they then have a hang/miss fire which discharges after one boy goes forward to clean up the bottles......... or so I was told...... not much seen to night but it sounds like one is hit.

It will be interesting to see how they go on with this story line. I will watch for purely scientific reasons.

**Swoop** · 18th August 2009, 20:13

Originally Posted by jono035

You're sure this is a way to build a safe to E-category compliance, not A-category (which only really needs a MDF cupboard)?

How thick are the LPG cylinders? Wall thickness on the safe needs to be 6mm from memory.

Yes, fully compliant with B/C/E requirements. The wall thickness was a minimum of 6mm and possibly more. Memory is telling me more like 8mm for some reason.
The way that the club member built them, they would be a damn tricky proposition to attempt to break into!

**Wolf** · 18th August 2009, 20:37

Originally Posted by jono035

Still need the full size safe and somewhere to put it though!

And either your own house or a really understanding landlord...

**jono035** · 18th August 2009, 21:08

Originally Posted by Wolf

And either your own house or a really understanding landlord...

Well my current landlord was pretty legendary when it came to me mounting the small safe

don't see any reason why he would object to a larger safe next to it!

I'm more concerned about having to move the bloody thing when I move, they're heavy as hell...

Originally Posted by Swoop

Yes, fully compliant with B/C/E requirements. The wall thickness was a minimum of 6mm and possibly more. Memory is telling me more like 8mm for some reason.
The way that the club member built them, they would be a damn tricky proposition to attempt to break into!

That's some impressively thick walled tank! I had enough trouble trying to drill holes in the bottom of my small safe (with a massive mill-drill nonetheless), let alone make one! Probably still outside the reach of most people I would imagine...