The firearm thread

[The Pastor]

Hmm, fist size groups at 175 to 180m sounds alot better that fist sized groups at 100m :P

[jono035]

Jono035
whats that in ?? i used to use AP70 in my 45 colts found the same thing sooty cases with lighter loads went to AP 50 and cleaned them up a bit
now useing trailboss or BP found the trail boss a tad snappy but cleaner burning ..

Ah yeah, how is the trail boss a 'tad snappy'?

I'm shooting these through a 9mm Taurus (Beretta 92 copy). The cases were coming out clean with the higher loadings that I tried but there was still a hell of a lot of smoke in the air after firing.

Edit: This is the first time that I've fired cast bullets though, do you get a bit of smoke from burning lube or anything? Not sure what lube the guy has used but it smells like beeswax...

[Mr Merde]

.........Mr Merde
good to hear ya got the 45/70 going i have a few 535gr's to load up for my rolling block the ones i tryed worked OK just need to get my good eyes on for getting more distance (HAHA no not from that for the reson for going blind ) have to check up where my blacks gone too come to think of it found some ffG goex works a tad better than the chinaman stuff ..
catch ya
JDK

Using chinese stuff at the moment. Very little burn down the case (about 1/4") also using a 535 gn bullet. Too much bp (64 gns) no protection between powder and base of b ullet. The latter may be why it is wobbling in flight. Needs that piece of card.

Swiss 1 1/2 is supposed to be the best powder but at $125 a kg its expensive.


Know what you mean about the eyes. Having trouble lining the foresight up in the rear sight.

If I wear my reading glasses I can see the rear sight but not the foresight. Without them I can make out the foresight but cant see if it is aligned properly in the rear, I can see the target as the blur it should be.

29 1/2 inch barrel

Its a bugger going old.

[sAsLEX]

Google earth puts the range at about 110m......

[Mr Merde]

Google earth puts the range at about 110m......

Must be the rainbow trajectory that does it then

[JDK]

the trailboss is a quick burning powder so it's more of a snap Vs a push of slower powders
ment to be good on cast tho don't know if it would work in a 9mm tho
http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=37

but seems due to the bulk of trailboss ya cant get eneff in to a 9mm case to make it play the game ..
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getting some wads in from the USA for my 45/70 1/16 .460 veg fiber wads ment to be better than aunt dollys old peg cardbord should have them in NZ in a few days i'll let ya know if they are any use ..


catch ya
JDK

[The Pastor]

CHIRS, HERES THE NUMBERS BEHIND YOUR 45-70 RECOIL

http://www.kickinbak.com/posts/Bulle...t_big_bore.pdf

[jono035]

CHIRS, HERES THE NUMBERS BEHIND YOUR 45-70 RECOIL

http://www.kickinbak.com/posts/Bulle...t_big_bore.pdf

A 500 grain bullet at 1400 fps is about 3kJ from my figuring, same energy as the 2nd .45/70 load there.

[ManDownUnder]

getting some wads in from the USA for my 45/70 1/16 .460 veg fiber wads ment to be better than aunt dollys old peg cardbord should have them in NZ in a few days i'll let ya know if they are any use ..


catch ya
JDK

Who are you getting the wads through? Always on the lookout for exports willing to ship reloading components.
Especially Hornady 27302 projectiles.

Rifle LOVES them. Goats don't..!

[jono035]

Who are you getting the wads through? Always on the lookout for exports willing to ship reloading components.
Especially Hornady 27302 projectiles.

Rifle LOVES them. Goats don't..!

If you end up ordering anything let me know, plated copper bullets from the states are cheaper with shipping than cast lead over here, hell of a lot less cleaning up to do

[Leyton]

Check this out :P....................

[JDK]

Hi ya's
Wads coming from an outfit that makes wads mainly for shotguns over shot cards fiber wads etc etc etc also do wads for rifles mainly the likes of 45/70 also in 38's 44 mag 45 colts etc etc eather to take air gap out of Bp loads or to stop the gases burning the base of cast bullets ..

i also tryed to get some brass out of the USA hells bells it took a lot of emails i think at least 6 outfits i tryed all being dealers like midway etc non of them were keen due to the export thing UK dealer could not xeport them eather due to contract with brass maker regarding exporting in to an area with a dealer/impoerter already in the country even tho that importer would not bring the brass in .
what happening in the USA as far as ammo being brought up in bulk most places don't have any stock to sell i looked at cheeper than dirt for some 45/70 cases and all sold out same with most other dealers in the USA ..
yea the prices are kinda shocking i seen primers in the USA under 1/2 what we pay here (converted in to kiwi dollars) same with powders etc etc etc mind you some other things were not far off the same guess shipping etc add's a lot to it
like the wads 171 dolars US worth of product 106 dollars US post
even ya 270 bullets about 70-80 bucks per 100 in NZ converted US price 38 bucks now ya got a hard job telling me that mark up is just shipping but there is not the amount of ammo sold so what do ya do there was a guy on trade me near queenstown i think that used to sell scopes etc etc ..

thats eneff for 2-4000 black powder shot gun 1000 45/70 and 4000 45Lc that sounds a lot but with training club days and matchs ya soon eat a lot of ammo

[Mr Merde]

US run on guns, ammo

New 6:15AM Friday Sep 25, 2009

American bullet-makers are working around the clock, seven days a week, and cannot keep up with the nation's demand for ammunition.
Bullets, especially for handguns, have been scarce for months because gun enthusiasts are stocking up because they fear President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress will pass antigun legislation.
Gun sales from January to May increased 25.6 per cent on the same period last year. In the past year ammunition sales have jumped from 7 billion to 9 billion rounds.

[The Pastor]

and they wont ship the projectiles to NZ

[jono035]

US run on guns, ammo

New 6:15AM Friday Sep 25, 2009

American bullet-makers are working around the clock, seven days a week, and cannot keep up with the nation's demand for ammunition.
Bullets, especially for handguns, have been scarce for months because gun enthusiasts are stocking up because they fear President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress will pass antigun legislation.
Gun sales from January to May increased 25.6 per cent on the same period last year. In the past year ammunition sales have jumped from 7 billion to 9 billion rounds.

There is a notice on the Berry's website saying they have been overrun by orders from civilian reloaders and are producing at full capacity... Even then they're apparently having people who can't get hold of any stock...

I wonder what all of this will come to...

and they wont ship the projectiles to NZ

Ah, that's right, bad luck mate... Oh well, guess I should hope that reloaders still has stock.