The firearm thread

[Mr Merde]

The graphite is easy enough, just pour into a bag and shake.

What are primers worth? I noticed wads on trademe for 4c each and a 12g load of AS30 for 1oz of shot appears to be about 20 grains (14c each). At $2.50 per kg the shot is 8c each...

If primers cost the same as rifle/pistol then it works out at 35c per reload... What were those factory shells worth?

Edit: Oh, the water tower looking thing! Yeah, I drove past that thing twice a day for 3 years without having a clue what the hell it was...
Edit2: $110 for 1k primers so 11c each instead of the 9c I used, 37c per reload...

Factory is about $10+ for 25 shells

But then you once again start the ecconomy of scale. The more you load the more the whole thing pays for itself. You source lead at the cheapest price you can. You get primers and wads from the cheap sources also.

I happen to like reloading anything so I'm probably biased.

[jono035]

factory is about 40-48c a round

Yeah, that's pretty bloody cheap and there are no big costs in there either, just lots of little ones. That's wads by the 500, primers by 1k, powder by the 2kg jug and lead by the 20kg ingot...

Yikes.

[The Pastor]

If i were to reload shottie ammo it'd be to make some resin filled with #7 shot solids....

[jono035]

Factory is about $10+ for 25 shells

But then you once again start the ecconomy of scale. The more you load the more the whole thing pays for itself. You source lead at the cheapest price you can. You get primers and wads from the cheap sources also.

I happen to like reloading anything so I'm probably biased.

I'm sure the economies of scale also apply to ammunition purchases though

The problem is that the lead is a relatively minor component of the total price once you start casting so getting cheaper lead doesn't help much.

Halving the price of the lead (and assuming you don't add any tin) would leave you with an extra saving of 4c per round...

There is always the option of spending that same time casting bullets for someone and swapping those bullets for a few boxes of shells...

[jono035]

Finished off the last of my batch of .44 magnum hand loads and the cases are in the tumbler... Group at 25m was about 150mm centered about 100mm to 3 o'clock.

Cast iron dutch oven is on its way. Have talked to a guy about a supply of wheel weights and have a $1.50/kg price to start from, wonder if I could find a tire store owner who is willing to barter for shot or projectiles though...

Have also been looking into fluxing requirements for shot making... Apparently tin is bad (something about 'tails') when making shot so there are a couple of people talking about methods for fluxing it out which seems odd. Perhaps it would be possible to reduce the fluxed-out tin back to tin metal and re-add it to a bullet casting alloy...

[Mr Merde]

Pulled that dickhead's chain, on the FishnHunt forum. Have discovered he is also a member of kb also. Wo nder if he reads this thread?



Reason he was so against the NSA and fighting the change proposed by the police was because he owned an SL8 and had rushed out to have it reclassified. He spent the money on an E catr safe and then we challenged the police as to the validity of their proposal.

He was looking out for his own interests. To hell with anyone else that may me affected as long as he was ok.

That sort of person we can do with out.

His posts have turned into ranting and other persons on that board have stepped up with reasonable discussion. Except for one other who seems to be of the same ilk. Spanners.

[The Pastor]

Howd you get on with the camera jono?

[jono035]

Howd you get on with the camera jono?

Easy fix... Gave it a little dab of superglue left it overnight. Thought I was going to have to split the back case off if the shaft superglued itself to the housing but it broke free easily. If it breaks again it'll probably need pinning though.

[ManDownUnder]

Shall we buy the old shottower in Mt Eden? CAC building is still there along with the tower.

I wondered a while back about the possibility of down down instead of up...

...humour me...

• Bore a 12" hole into the dirt... straight down... to whatever depth. Concrete line it or steel pipe lining... whatever works
• Put a deflector plate at the bottom such that shot would not just settle at the bottom but roll out to a given spot alongside it into a waiting collander
• Fill the well with water, put the collander down ready to go, pour molten lead into the shotmaker at the top.

There must be wells around the place that would lend themselves to it - or a cliff face perhaps? The pipe would block any wind ensuring shot fell vertically and wasn't malformed on the way down.

... surely...? Or did I just over simplify things?

[Mr Merde]

I wondered a while back about the possibility of down down instead of up...

...humour me...

• Bore a 12" hole into the dirt... straight down... to whatever depth. Concrete line it or steel pipe lining... whatever works
• Put a deflector plate at the bottom such that shot would not just settle at the bottom but roll out to a given spot alongside it into a waiting collander
• Fill the well with water, put the collander down ready to go, pour molten lead into the shotmaker at the top.

There must be wells around the place that would lend themselves to it - or a cliff face perhaps? The pipe would block any wind ensuring shot fell vertically and wasn't malformed on the way down.

... surely...? Or did I just over simplify things?

Not a bad idea.

MDU, havent heard from you in a while.
Sharron and I are selling up and moving back into town.
Before we go we are going to have as many shoots as possible.
I'll let you know as I would love for you to be able to make one.

Had some of the others over lasrt weekend. Boy did we burn some powder. I want mining rights to that cliff now

[Drunken Monkey]

Boy did we burn some powder. I want mining rights to that cliff now

Be careful, the Ngati-Parnell Iwi will want their cut first...

[jono035]

I wondered a while back about the possibility of down down instead of up...

...humour me...

• Bore a 12" hole into the dirt... straight down... to whatever depth. Concrete line it or steel pipe lining... whatever works
• Put a deflector plate at the bottom such that shot would not just settle at the bottom but roll out to a given spot alongside it into a waiting collander
• Fill the well with water, put the collander down ready to go, pour molten lead into the shotmaker at the top.

There must be wells around the place that would lend themselves to it - or a cliff face perhaps? The pipe would block any wind ensuring shot fell vertically and wasn't malformed on the way down.

... surely...? Or did I just over simplify things?

Yeah, I thought along a very similar line... The situation appears to be either you air cool it the entire way or drop it into water ASAP. You want it to only hit the water as an entire solid or as an entire liquid otherwise apparently it either flattens badly or even puffs up into wire-wool looking stuff. 154 feet is the height for an air-drop tower that has solid shot coming out the bottom so you would have to drill down that far really.

[Wolf]

Definitely up for another shoot, a Saturday for preference as I wouldn't have to turn into a pumpkin early enough to get home for kids. Last Saturday was great knowing I could spend as much time as I liked.

Would be good to catch up with the ones I recently met again and also finally meet MDU and jrandom. If shiny side up could make it along with some of his toys as well it would be great - he seriously needs to meet these guys, too.

I'm free this Saturday as well if there's any shooting going down.

[jono035]

Had some of the others over lasrt weekend. Boy did we burn some powder. I want mining rights to that cliff now

I just quickly worked it out, about 4kg of lead on my part...

[Mr Merde]

..
I'm free this Saturday as well if there's any shooting going down.

This Saturday comming I am working unfortunately.
Essential server maintenance.
My main data server has about 300 gb of space of which there is only 11 gb free.

I'm going to swap out the disks for 3 new ones thereby doubling the size. I should have about 300 gb free at the finish.