The firearm thread

[Wolf]

I know, right? Although I think out of everyone here, I've only ever seen you, Wolf and Indy actually ON a bike...

My bike's out of action at the mo' - we've narrowed things down to the CDI unit. The only wheels I have at the moment is a borrowed Chinese moped - it gets me to work, the shops and back... eventually...

Really missing being able to get out on the open road and really missing being able to bang off a few rounds of ammo ( <-- blatant attempt to bring post back on topic)

Chris, look forward to meeting your little 'un at some stage, for all he's a Liverpool supporter. I understand that the best of families have their black sheep...

[ManDownUnder]

Good point. It stopped the little bugger pdq... and to their credit - the only ones going near the bread for the rest of the day were sparrows...

They learn GOOOOD!

The only ones going near the bread today were sparrows...!

[jono035]

They learn GOOOOD!

The only ones going near the bread today were sparrows...!

Yeah, that's the problem. When we tried to do something about them up north, they just learnt too damn fast. Couldn't do anything to reliably get them.

Wolf: Gutted about the bike. I've gotta pull the heads on the VFR this weekend in theory, so I might be taking the bus (or a borrowed scooter) for a week.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah, that's the problem. When we tried to do something about them up north, they just learnt too damn fast. Couldn't do anything to reliably get them.

Wolf: Gutted about the bike. I've gotta pull the heads on the VFR this weekend in theory, so I might be taking the bus (or a borrowed scooter) for a week.

Get the Mynah distress call tape... I have one here somewhere... and a 12g full of #7...

[jono035]

Get the Mynah distress call tape... I have one here somewhere... and a 12g full of #7...

So that actually works pretty well?

We had some pretty huge flocks of mynahs up north, would take a pretty serious effort to make a dent in them...

[ManDownUnder]

So that actually works pretty well?

We had some pretty huge flocks of mynahs up north, would take a pretty serious effort to make a dent in them...

Yeah I hear ya - depends what you're after I guess - I'm pretty realistic about population control - I'm not going to change anything... I just wanted to keeop 'em away from the sparrow's bread (I'm a softie for sparrows... guess I have the guilts for all the ones I shot as a kid.)

50x worth of ammo and the Mynahs stay away for days... seems like a good result to me.

A cloud of 'em vs a semi auto might be an interesting proposition though.....

[Wolf]

Cheers, Jono. All the best with the viffer.

Mynahs are bloody bright and learn quickly, that's for sure. We had a large number of cats out on the farm when I was a kid and there was usually a litter of kittens around the place.
The mynahs started mimicking the cries of young kittens needing attention and it didn't take long for them to notice that the cats would react to the sound, frantically searching for strayed/lost/hungry kittens. So the mynahs would sit up on the guttering and make the cries, watching the cats. Then the mynahs would move somewhere else and do it again. They had the cats running all over the place - and you can't convince me they weren't deriving some kind of "enjoyment" out of it. They were doing it for no other reason than to make the cats react - as evidenced by the fact that they would start watching the cats and then start making the sound. I know this, because we started watching the mynahs once we realised the cats were reacting to their false kitten sounds.

They seemed smarter than the cats who always fell for it - even when there wasn't a litter of kittens around.

That, their ability to expertly judge the speed of an approaching vehicle and casually hop out of the way at the last instant - rather than hastily taking flight the moment it's detected like most other birds I've observed - and MDU and Jono's observations about how quickly they learn to modify their behaviour against a perceived threat, all lead me to believe that mynahs are one of the most intelligent bird species - which probably accounts for their success.

An intelligent creature that's capable of flight, learns faster than the average computer user and can faultlessly mimic any sound they hear often enough and put it to use - just be thankful they have no desire to dominate our realm...

[jono035]

An intelligent creature that's capable of flight, learns faster than the average computer user and can faultlessly mimic any sound they hear often enough and put it to use - just be thankful they have no desire to dominate our realm...

Yeah, the fact that they learn quicker than your average human is the kinda depressing part.

[Wolf]

Yeah, the fact that they learn quicker than your average human is the kinda depressing part.

Yep - compare the road toll with the number of mynahs MDU shot and you can instantly see which species is better equipped to "learn from the mistakes of others"...

And humans are still driving carelessly and/or recklessly

[Mr Merde]

E-mail yesterday afternoon.

The 1854 .451 Whitworth is on its way.

My mate in the UK is so excited he phoned me at work to talk about it.

Apparently he is the envy of the British Muzzle Loading team.

Two of them came around to his house on Saturday and drooled over tyhe photos.

Its a rare rifle as it has only two bands where most had 3.

This is how the Confederate states ordered their 300 rifles during the ACW. Apparently only about 200 were delivered to the Confederacy and the remaining 100 came to Aussie and NZ.

Mark has bought a mould to cast the hexagonal twisted projectile. It is a 6 part mould and cost half as much as the rifle did. Specially made by an engineer in Switzerland.

There are now a number of UK shooters pouring over our Trade Me. All looking at firearms they cant get in the UK but are availasble here. All of them unable to bid as you need a NZ address to join TM. I expect a few of them to get in contact via my mate, hoping to have me bid for them.

Chris

[jono035]

E-mail yesterday afternoon.

The 1854 .451 Whitworth is on its way.

My mate in the UK is so excited he phoned me at work to talk about it.

Apparently he is the envy of the British Muzzle Loading team.

Two of them came around to his house on Saturday and drooled over tyhe photos.

Its a rare rifle as it has only two bands where most had 3.

This is how the Confederate states ordered their 300 rifles during the ACW. Apparently only about 200 were delivered to the Confederacy and the remaining 100 came to Aussie and NZ.

Mark has bought a mould to cast the hexagonal twisted projectile. It is a 6 part mould and cost half as much as the rifle did. Specially made by an engineer in Switzerland.

There are now a number of UK shooters pouring over our Trade Me. All looking at firearms they cant get in the UK but are availasble here. All of them unable to bid as you need a NZ address to join TM. I expect a few of them to get in contact via my mate, hoping to have me bid for them.

Chris

Charge a em 10% per rifle bought and you could have a nice little side earner...

[Mr Merde]

Charge a em 10% per rifle bought and you could have a nice little side earner...

mark talked about doiung reciprocal deals.

Gunstuff from UK to NZ and the reverse

[jono035]

mark talked about doiung reciprocal deals.

Gunstuff from UK to NZ and the reverse

Oh, for a mate sure. For his mates, charge em!

Also how much of a pain would it be to do the reverse?

[Swoop]

This letter is going around at the moment.



To whom it may concern

During 2009 Police undertook an awareness programme to let the firearms community know that we had changed our understanding of what constituted a military style semi-automatic firearm (MSSA). The change was around interpretation of the phrase "military pattern free-standing pistol grip".

The 2009 interpretation meant that some semi-automatic firearms previously considered to be in sporting configuration would instead be classed as MSSAs by virtue of their grip. People wishing to lawfully own such an MSSA had to ensure they complied with the legal requirements applicable to MSSAs. .

A High Court judgment from March this year found that the Police interpretation of "military pattern free-standing pistol grip" was inconsistent with the Arms Act 1983.

The judgment held that:
• a pistol grip that is integrated with the stock is not "free-standing"; and
• "military pattern" means conforms with military specifications.

In order to mitigate any confusion that may have arisen due to the High Court judgment I would like to make the following points.

1. Police are once again treating dragunov-style stocks as integrated, and therefore not containing a "free standing" pistol grip. A semi-automatic rifle with a dragunov-style stock and no other MSSA features is therefore an A Category firearm.

2. The 2009 Police communication is still correct in that a non-integrated addition that connects a pistol grip to the stock or butt in an attempt to make it no longer free standing (such as adding a metal or plastic rod) will not stop the grip from being "free standing". Any semi-automatic with that feature will be an MSSA.

3. People who have already been issued an E endorsement as a result of the July 2009 communication may choose to retain an endorsement for an MSSA, or may choose to surrender the endorsement and (where necessary) return their MSSA to sporting configuration.

4. Where a person has applied (solely as a result of the Police July 2009 interpretation of "military pattern free-standing pistol grip") for an E endorsement prior to the 1 March 2010 High Court judgment and has the proper security in place, Arms Officers are being told that the endorsement may be issued and permit to procure issued for the semi automatic they wish to possess as an MSSA.

5. Those people who consider that they have been financially disadvantaged in having to purchase a higher level of security than they now need as a result of the July 2009 communication can write to the Manager Licensing and Vetting, PO Box 3017, Wellington. Any consideration for compensation would require the surrendering of the E endorsement, a return of the semi-automatic to sporting configuration or disposal of the firearm, provision of receipts for security, and surrender of the security to Police.

Yours faithfully

Inspector Joe Green
National manager Licensing and Vetting
Police National Headquarters

[Mr Merde]

Round 1 to the gun owners

rest of the bout to go