The firearm thread

**Tank** · 8th June 2010, 12:19

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

You could purchase a 50 or even a 100 round mag for the 77/22 and as long as you dont have a 10/22 you would be perfectly legal.

If you did this - could you take them to the police (separate) and then request to have the 10 / 22 to be re-classified as a a e-cat ?

BTW - Mr Merde - how goes the battle on the 1 for 1 e-cat hand in?

**jono035** · 8th June 2010, 12:30

Originally Posted by Tank

If you did this - could you take them to the police (separate) and then request to have the 10 / 22 to be re-classified as a a e-cat ?

BTW - Mr Merde - how goes the battle on the 1 for 1 e-cat hand in?

Yeah, this is exactly the way that it works (assuming you have an E-endorsement, which requires vetting and an appropriate safe). A hand-in of another E-cat rifle would be required at the same time (I've even heard tell of the police requiring the hand-in rifle be similar).

Bear in mind that under current interpretation, only E-endorsement holders are allowed to be in control of a E-cat firearm, so technically you could be prosecuted for letting one of your kids or friends take a turn shooting it, even if it was in sporting configuration at the time (10-15 round mag for a 10/22) and you were standing by... At least, that's how I was told it works when I was considering getting my E endorsement at the same time as my B. I have no personal experience with it so someone else may want to correct me if I'm in the weeds!

I haven't seen anything further on the NSA website about the 1 for 1 E-cat handin, but there is a guy who is going through the process at the moment with NSA help and in theory should be hearing back quite soon as to how things are progressing.

I really recommend chipping in the pittance for an NSA membership, the forums are pretty active and we all have a good laugh over there too!

Edit: I really recommend! Was going to write 'can't recommend it enough' but forgot the enough part, making it sound like I didn't recommend it. I do recommend it, NSA is doing very good work and more support can only help!

**Swoop** · 10th June 2010, 11:35

Russia is preparing a new standard assault rifle, the AK-200. This weapon is based on the 5.45mm AK-74, which replaced the 7.62mm AK-47/AKM series as the standard infantry weapon towards the end of the Cold War. The AK-74 entered service in the 1970s, and twenty years later a replacement was developed, the AN-94. This rifle used the 5.45mm round first seen in the AK-74, but was able to use larger (45-round and 60-round) magazines. The AN-94 also had burst fire (of two rounds, while Western rifles tend to use three rounds).
The AN-94 was supposed to replace all AK-74s in Russian service, but due to the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, and sharp cuts in the defense budget, this did not happen. There were also concerns about the mechanical complexity and reliability of the AN-94. That's apparently why the AK-200 is not based on the AN-94. One AN-94 feature that was adopted for the AK-200 was a 60 round magazine.

Meanwhile, an improved AK-74M was introduced in 1991, and is still in service. This is a 3.4 kg (7.5 pound), 94.3 cm (37.1 inch) weapon with a 41.5 cm (16.3 inch barrel). It has rails for sights and such, and can use a 30 or 45 round magazine. Rate of fire is 650 RPM on full auto, and max effective range was 600 meters. The AK-74 looked like an AK-47, and used the same technology. Some five million AK-74s were built, most before the Cold War ended in 1991. North Korea manufactures a copy of the AK-74, called the Type 98. The AK-74M is the basis for the AK-200, and the two weapons are very similar, with the new rifle having more flexibility and capacity for accessories.

Meanwhile, several additional AK-74 variants have been developed and put on the market. The AK-101 fires the 5.56mm NATO round and has a 30-round clip. The AK-103 fires the 7.62x39mm round used in the original AK-47, for those who have concerns about the ability of the 5.45mm round to stop enemy troops. The AK-102, 104, and 105 are compact rifles designed for the export market in 5.56mm NATO, 7.62x39mm, and 5.45x39mm. All have 30-round magazines.

**The Pastor** · 10th June 2010, 11:53

so i was at the pub and some guy was going on about only allowed 2 rounds of ammo? is this for a c cat?

**jono035** · 10th June 2010, 11:59

Originally Posted by renegade master

so i was at the pub and some guy was going on about only allowed 2 rounds of ammo? is this for a c cat?

Unless it was some specific kind of ammo (explosive or something) that couldn't be held on an A-cat then I'm not sure what the hell he would have been on about.

I guess I could believe there being restrictions on having lots of rounds of a type of explosive ammo, 2 being enough to have as demonstration/show items. I'm also not sure how tracer ammo is handled, I know you can buy tracer bullets (SAI has a massive box of em, keep meaning to buy a handful as a curiosity) but I'm not sure about complete rounds...

**Mr Merde** · 10th June 2010, 12:20

Originally Posted by renegade master

so i was at the pub and some guy was going on about only allowed 2 rounds of ammo? is this for a c cat?

Firstly,

What were you doing at a pub. Are you of age?

Secondly how can they restrict C cat ammo.
A working Bren Gun is C cat. It fires the .303 British round. Standard round for the SMLE.
Same for most machine and sub machine guns. They all fire a standard round for the particular country they are in use with.

Not sure about cannons and howitzers or mortars. Are you allowed to own live 105mm rounds?

Would I want to have live 6" rounds in my house. No

H&K MP5 uses the 9 x 21 mm round. Standard 9mm

Ma Deuce uses the standard .50BMG

I know of someone who has a 40mm Bofors gun. It wouldnt supprise me if he had live ammo. He also has 20mm Oilerkon and I guess he has live ammo for that also.

I think that person was just blowing smoke rings up your jacksee.

Maybe you misheard and what he really said was he only had two rounds and wanted to give them both to you . ;-0

**jono035** · 10th June 2010, 12:29

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Not sure about cannons and howitzers or mortars. Are you allowed to own live 105mm rounds?

Would I want to have live 6" rounds in my house. No

House? No. C-cat storage bunker out the back? HELL yes.

**Mr Merde** · 10th June 2010, 12:33

Originally Posted by jono035

House? No. C-cat storage bunker out the back? HELL yes.

Come the revolution evryone is to assemble ta Jono's residence where he will protect us with his hoard of munitions.

Remember the order is

Bubble, line, level, line, bubble.

**jono035** · 10th June 2010, 12:35

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Come the revolution evryone is to assemble ta Jono's residence where he will protect us with his hoard of munitions.

I'd love to have a hoard of munitions, my problem is I use them up too quickly!

**Mr Merde** · 10th June 2010, 12:44

On another note.

My mate in the UK phoned me last night.

He is sending me 6 hexagonal cast bullets for the Whitworth rifle so that I can try it out.

He also informed me that he now has to go on a 2 day "Health and Safety" course so that he is able to fire black powder muzzle loading firearms.

He has been shooting them competitively for 30 years. He has even built his own rifles and cannons.

His father is captain of the British Muzzle Loading team.

Duh.

**jono035** · 10th June 2010, 12:46

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

On another note.

My mate in the UK phoned me last night.

He is sending me 6 hexagonal cast bullets for the Whitworth rifle so that I can try it out.

He also informed me that he now has to go on a 2 day "Health and Safety" course so that he is able to fire black powder muzzle loading firearms.

He has been shooting them competitively for 30 years. He has even built his own rifles and cannons.

His father is captain of the British Muzzle Loading team.

Duh.

Hahaha, beauracracy at its finest.

Let me know when you plan to have a pop with the rifle, I'd be keen to come take a look.

**The Pastor** · 10th June 2010, 12:58

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Firstly,

What were you doing at a pub. Are you of age?

Secondly how can they restrict C cat ammo.
A working Bren Gun is C cat. It fires the .303 British round. Standard round for the SMLE.
Same for most machine and sub machine guns. They all fire a standard round for the particular country they are in use with.

I stole andrews ID.

A working bren gun is illigal, refer to section 32b of the arms act

Conditions of endorsements

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(1) It is a condition of every endorsement made under section 30 that the holder of the firearms licence—
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(a) observes, in respect of every pistol or restricted weapon or part of a restricted weapon in his possession, such security precautions as are required by regulations made under this Act; and
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(b) ensures that every restricted weapon in his possession is both rendered inoperable by the removal of a vital part and maintained, by reason of the removal of a vital part, in an inoperable condition.

this guy was an american who said he read it somewhere, i never heard of it before, and can't find it anywhere so i think he was mis informed

**jono035** · 10th June 2010, 13:01

Originally Posted by renegade master

I stole andrews ID.

A working bren gun is illigal, refer to section 32b of the arms act

this guy was an american who said he read it somewhere, i never heard of it before, and can't find it anywhere so i think he was mis informed

The guy is misinformed or talking shit.

And Chris is quite right, C-cat firearms are working firearms that must be deliberately rendered inoperable. Replace the part and away they would go. You can't just grab one out of the safe, stick a full mag in and blaze away, but they're working firearms and no mistake.