The firearm thread

**jono035** · 1st July 2010, 11:28

Originally Posted by renegade master

it wont be sub moa at that range, but a deer is a big target.

True, but it has also lost a ton of energy at that range...

Edit: +/-3" max point blank is about 200 yards. I can't find anyone referring to using it for anything beyond 200 yards... At 400 yards it has 60" of drop...

It looks like at 300 yards it has lost half its energy... Looks like anything more than 200m is asking a bit much but of course that's entirely from the numbers... I guess you also said hit the deer, nothing about the bullet then bouncing straight off

**The Pastor** · 1st July 2010, 11:51

Originally Posted by jono035

True, but it has also lost a ton of energy at that range...

Edit: +/-3" max point blank is about 200 yards. I can't find anyone referring to using it for anything beyond 200 yards... At 400 yards it has 60" of drop...

It looks like at 300 yards it has lost half its energy... Looks like anything more than 200m is asking a bit much but of course that's entirely from the numbers... I guess you also said hit the deer, nothing about the bullet then bouncing straight off

you can get the 3030 lever evolution ammo now, its pretty potent

**Wolf** · 1st July 2010, 12:22

Originally Posted by jono035

I guess you also said hit the deer, nothing about the bullet then bouncing straight off

For once Hal won't have to worry about that "bummer birthmark"...

**Mr Merde** · 1st July 2010, 14:47

I want one of these. If they were good enough for George Armstrong Custer and the 7th Cavalry then they are good enoug for me. Pity GAC didnt take a few on his last ride.

Hotchkiss 37mm revolving cannon, efective range 2000 yards, max range 4000 yards. Solid steel or explosive shells.

My pulse is racing.

Surely scaled down to a rifle calibre it would be fun and easier than a gatling to make.

Here is an animated view of one operating. Note the few actaul moving parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkOP8...layer_embedded

**Drunken Monkey** · 1st July 2010, 15:10

Originally Posted by Wolf

I like the specs - short enough not to get tangled in scrub, not too heavy to carry (I'm an old fart), still capable of bringing down decent-sized game, reliable (bolt action, not these newfangled semi-autos). On the minus side I can see harsher perceived recoil (again, I'm an old fart).

And might be useful in the Zombie Apocalypse...

Bah, keep the bolty for that "reach-out-and-touch-someone" long range shot that must be made. Otherwise a SOCOM spec M1A/M14 is much more fun as a scout rifle. Quick follow up shots and box magazines are especially important for the Zombie Apocalypse. Plus the recoil isn't so harsh with some of the energy going to cycling that action.

**Wolf** · 1st July 2010, 15:22

Then that means I'm running around with two firearms totalling around 6kg or so in the midst of Zombie Apocalypse - would slow me down and my braaiiiinz will be eaten for sure.

BTW, boltys can have box mags, too. Get the right one you can even have the option of speed-loading the mag in situ with stripper clips. And a bolt action is plenty fast if need be...

**Drunken Monkey** · 1st July 2010, 15:24

Originally Posted by Wolf

Then that means I'm running around with two firearms totalling around 6kg or so in the midst of Zombie Apocalypse - would slow me down and my braaiiiinz will be eaten for sure.

Wah???? I wouldn't go outside my barricade with less than 4 firearms!! You're CRAZY dude!

**Neshi** · 1st July 2010, 15:31

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

I want one of these. If they were good enough for George Armstrong Custer and the 7th Cavalry then they are good enoug for me. Pity GAC didnt take a few on his last ride.

Hotchkiss 37mm revolving cannon, efective range 2000 yards, max range 4000 yards. Solid steel or explosive shells.

My pulse is racing.

Surely scaled down to a rifle calibre it would be fun and easier than a gatling to make.

If I remember correctly those things were a bitch to fire, rotate that arm too quick or too slow and the thing would jam.

**Mr Merde** · 1st July 2010, 15:35

So you remember the 1870's then?

I think it was the Gatling that jammed often not the Hotchkiss.

**The Pastor** · 1st July 2010, 15:43

would anyone care to join me on a guided hunt (if indy cant make it - hes got first dibs!)? Shooting for dear - meat or trophy. Its very expensive but this guy is really good, his focus is on training bush skills - tracking, how to hunt, shot placement, butchery etc leaving on friday night the 16th and returning on Sunday the 17th. Everything is provided. It'll be on a donation basis - as much as you can/ want to afford give. PM me if keen there is a chance here for a very cheap guided hunt :P (just not for me hahahaha)

**Neshi** · 1st July 2010, 15:52

re-incarnation eh!
Nah.. I've read about it.. So the term remembering still applies.
section from Home Front Heroes: a biographical dictionary of Americans during wartime

The American Government did not embrace Hotchkiss' gun, citing several problems with its design and performance. Like its predecessor, the Gatling gun, a crank operated Hotchkiss' machine gun that limited its rate of fire and made it more prone to jamming. Also, Hotchkiss designed the weapon soon after Hiram Stevens Maxim introduced his more popular machine gun.

Hotchkiss was quite unpopular back in those days with his guns and other weapon designs were usually preferred, like Vickers and Lewis, Springfield single-shot rifles, Lee magazine rifles and the aforementioned Hiram Stevens Maxim.

Hotchkiss would not live to see his design develop into full fruition. Following his death his French company continued to improve his machine gun design. By 1895 they had simplified its mechanics and made it lighter and gas-operated. [...] Since the gun was made for mobility, it was a bipod rather than a tripod, it proved less accurate than the Lewis gun and was not accepted by the U.S. military until 1909.

**jono035** · 1st July 2010, 15:58

Originally Posted by renegade master

would anyone care to join me on a guided hunt (if indy cant make it - hes got first dibs!)? Shooting for dear - meat or trophy. Its very expensive but this guy is really good, his focus is on training bush skills - tracking, how to hunt, shot placement, butchery etc leaving on friday night the 16th and returning on Sunday the 17th. Everything is provided. It'll be on a donation basis - as much as you can/ want to afford give. PM me if keen there is a chance here for a very cheap guided hunt :P (just not for me hahahaha)

I'd be keen for that. Apparently you've exceeded your PM allowance or something...