The firearm thread

[jono035]

... and the ammunition...

Not if you keep it disassembled before use

[Wolf]

Then going by your definition, why don't I need to supply a firearms license when pruchasing a stock (or barrel)?

"The law is a ass." *



* The correct quote rather than the corrected (mis)quote.

[Wolf]

The trouble is, what is and is not an integral part of a firearm is defined by intelligent people who manufacture firearms and accessories.

What you need a licence to purchase is defined by moronic politicians and "Civil" Servants.

You know, the sort of fucktards that think a hole-through stock is a free-standing military-pattern pistol grip...

If they can't comprehend as simple a concept as "free-standing", what hope is there of them making a sensible decision about anything?

As to scopes - some rifles are manufactured without iron sights and are designed to be used with your choice of scope or aftermarket sight. Other rifles come with iron sights and fitting a scope is optional. On my CZ, a scope's an accessory; on the Ruger .308 I looked at last week, it's a necessity.

Bipods, mounting rails, torches/floodlights etc, while useful, aren't necessities.

[jono035]

The trouble is, what is and is not an integral part of a firearm is defined by intelligent people who manufacture firearms and accessories.

What you need a licence to purchase is defined by moronic politicians and "Civil" Servants.

You know, the sort of fucktards that think a hole-through stock is a free-standing military-pattern pistol grip...

If they can't comprehend as simple a concept as "free-standing", what hope is there of them making a sensible decision about anything?

As to scopes - some rifles are manufactured without iron sights and are designed to be used with your choice of scope or aftermarket sight. Other rifles come with iron sights and fitting a scope is optional. On my CZ, a scope's an accessory; on the Ruger .308 I looked at last week, it's a necessity.

Bipods, mounting rails, torches/floodlights etc, while useful, aren't necessities.

To be fair, I think that this is one of the better aspects of NZ firearms law actually. Being able to freely trade stocks, barrels, magazines and trigger parts is pretty permissive. The only step you could realistically argue for would be having all parts available without a firearms license and only consisting a firearm for license purposes once it was assembled to the point that it could fire a projectile (similar to how reloading components are currently handled) and I really don't see that situation causing that much less hassle, really.

What I'd rather see cleared up are the irritating ambiguities around owning a full capacity magazine that can fit multiple rifles resulting in prosecution on due to the intention to assemble them into a different class of firearm. Getting rid of the MSSA requirements altogether would be a pretty sane way of handling this, one would think...

Aside from that, the problem with declaring parts of a firearm as necessities is just as ambiguous as any other way. A stock and trigger parts are not necessary at all for the firearm to be operational. Barrel, receiver, bolt, firing pin, hammer, hammer spring.

For the purposes of license requirements, only the receiver housing itself should need a firearms license. For the purposes of definitions, a firearm should be comprised of stock/receiver/bolt/trigger group/barrel as the minimum number of components to make up something that would be generally considered a firearm.

Edit: A scope on a rifle without iron sights is not a necessity. It may be for your intended use, but that's just more ambiguity. In the case of a target rifle mounted to a shooting sled with external adjustments, the scope can be limited to getting the rifle on target with the rest of the day spent adjusting from a spotting scope.

[Indiana_Jones]

So party at Chris's next month?

How's the foot Jono?

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

So party at Chris's next month?

How's the foot Jono?

-Indy

And the occasion would be?

[jono035]

And the occasion would be?

Occaision? Why?

Sounds good to me.

Indy: Foot is pretty good, just counting down the days until the next appointment, hopefully that'll see it off (Wednesday the 25th, 11am currently).

[Mr Merde]

A welcome to my 20 year old son who should be arriving about the middle of next month.

[jono035]

A welcome to my 20 year old son who should be arriving about the middle of next month.

Well, that's as good an excuse as any, but I still deny that we should even need an occaision

[Mr Merde]

Well, that's as good an excuse as any, but I still deny that we should even need an occaision

I agree but we gotta sell that idea to Sharron

[jono035]

I agree but we gotta sell that idea to Sharron

Very true!

[Mr Merde]

Very true!

Not that she really needs a lot of persuading as for some reason she seems to like you lot.

[Drunken Monkey]

I know the location isn't the same, but if we can somehow arrange for a a bit of a blast beforehand, that would make things so much better.

I tested out my new thrower the other week, it's not bloody bad at all for the $49 it cost. Throws singles and doubles and keeps things pretty consistent.

Boom, boom.

[Wolf]

Not that she really needs a lot of persuading as for some reason she seems to like you lot.

No accounting for taste, eh.

[Wolf]

I know the location isn't the same, but if we can somehow arrange for a a bit of a blast beforehand, that would make things so much better.

I tested out my new thrower the other week, it's not bloody bad at all for the $49 it cost. Throws singles and doubles and keeps things pretty consistent.

Boom, boom.

Would enjoy a bit of a blast. Want to sight-in the CZ's scope for a start.