The firearm thread

[Scuba_Steve]

what 'law' are you referring to?

hint: quote the "Act" and "section" of New Zealand Legislation, that backs up what you're saying..

Right here, Arms Act 1983 52(2)

52 Presenting firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon at other person
(1)Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to both who, except for some lawful and sufficient purpose, presents a firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon (whether or not the firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon is loaded or capable at the time of the offence of discharging any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile) at any other person.
(2)Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to both who, except for some lawful or sufficient purpose, presents at any person anything which, in the circumstances, is likely to lead that person to believe that it is a firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon.

[Mr Merde]

So a pointed finger inside a pocket would be proscecuted under this act as a firearms offence if there is cause to believe it is a firearm etc.

This is what I was trying to explain in my toothbrush analogy.

It is also how some of the shootings by police officers have been explained. They believed there was a firearm involved therefore they were correct in responding with reasonable force. Doesnt explain why this force was used in such cases as weilding a golf club though.

[The Pastor]

Skip to 1min if you wanna skip the story bit.

Basicly a cop pulls over a biker, then shoots the SOB as he thinks he is "reaching" for a gun.

The cop got charged, I think the biker got a life in a wheelchair.

[Indiana_Jones]

Doesnt explain why this force was used in such cases as weilding a golf club though.

Could of been one of those golf club guns!

But in all seriousness, if someone was coming at me with a golf club and I had a gun in my hands I'd be pulling the trigger....and miss if I happen to be holding MN lol

-Indy

[The Pastor]

Could of been one of those golf club guns!

But in all seriousness, if someone was coming at me with a golf club and I had a gun in my hands I'd be pulling the trigger....and miss if I happen to be holding MN lol

-Indy

a poor shooter blames his rifle,

but a poor shooter cant afford a good rifle.

[unstuck]

Some nice shooters on this vid.

[sAsLEX]

It is also how some of the shootings by police officers have been explained. They believed there was a firearm involved therefore they were correct in responding with reasonable force. Doesnt explain why this force was used in such cases as weilding a golf club though.

Golf club is a pretty potent weapon, one hit to the head and your dead.

What other choice did the cop have?

Asp baton? More reach with the club.
Pepper spray? Ineffective arguably.
Taser? Nope.

Here is my top tip to avoid being shot by a cop. Don't be a criminal. Easy.

[Indiana_Jones]

a poor shooter blames his rifle,

but a poor shooter cant afford a good rifle.

I see what you did there lol

-Indy

[The Pastor]

Here is my top tip to avoid being shot by a cop. Don't be a criminal. Easy.

did you see the above video?

[scumdog]

Doesnt explain why this force was used in such cases as weilding a golf club though.

So said golf-club wielder whack you - now he has his golf-club AND your gun.

It's a no-brainer.

And no, aiming for a leg/arm etc of somebody running at you with a golf-club is not a feasable option

[Akzle]

And no, aiming for a leg/arm etc of somebody running at you with a golf-club is not a feasable option

yeah.... if you don't want to be shot by police don't be a criminal. or a courier driver.
or.
just.
if you see police with guns, move quickly away. don't run. they'd probably shoot you in the back.

the police aren't even taught to shoot for centre mass. i'm not entirely sure what they're taught with their 60 bullets a year. not good shooting, for sure.

but remember that guy who was stabbing people.. got shot in the arm and the hand. that's poor shooting right there. infact if they'd tasered him properly they wouldn't have had to pull pistol.

that is the one section of the arms i act i was referencing previously, however it relies on presenting something that can be misconstrued as a viable firearm, not just "saying" so.

[scumdog]

yeah.... if you don't want to be shot by police don't be a criminal. or a courier driver.
or.
just.
if you see police with guns, move quickly away. don't run. they'd probably shoot you in the back.

the police aren't even taught to shoot for centre mass. i'm not entirely sure what they're taught with their 60 bullets a year. not good shooting, for sure.

Shoot people that are running away in the back..not taught to shoot for 'centre mass'...60 bullets a year... tell me more...

[Akzle]

Shoot people that are running away in the back..not taught to shoot for 'centre mass'...60 bullets a year... tell me more...

whaddaya want to know?

2+2 is 4
and the oven is hot. no touchy.
you can't put a square peg into a round hole.
you can lead a horse to water but you can't have sex with it...

[Scuba_Steve]

you can lead a horse to water but you can't have sex with it...

There are videos out there which suggest otherwise

[jono035]

I leave the country for 2 weeks and this place turns into a circus... hilarious...

Spent a week in Switzerland. Oddly, they are restricting ownership of handguns, but most households still have the good old SG550 in the closet.

My AR upper got put in the mail today with the big FO silencer mounted. Can't wait to see it.

Also picked up a bunch of tools etc. for it (action blocks, combo peg wrench for the barrel nut) while I was in the states, as well as a decent scope mount, new earmuffs, chrony and a bunch of reloading bits and bobs for the .300 Blackout. All set to start having some fun with it!

I've also got a spare ejection port cover that I'm going to stick into a laser cutter and engrave. Thinking NSA logo, currently...

Merde: Glad you finally got to burn some of that powder. 2" at 100 yards isn't bad for a first outing with irons, no matter how fancy!