The firearm thread

[nseagoon]

I run 185g semi wadcutter in my 45, not the most accurate but cheap. I compete/mainly shoot with 9mm so didn't justify the higher cost. Most people I know use round nose in their ones, don't know weight but very accurate

I've noticed SWC can cut the paper whereas I've noticed round nose usually cuts a hole. May have something to do with the fact both are below supersonic and SWC is usually slower and presents a bigger surface area to the paper?
Would checking splatter pattern on steel help?

[Akzle]

What do the shooters you know use with the .45? JHP? Not sure if I'd want to make a permanent switch to jacketed due to price, but it'd be worth a quick figuring out.

coated lead wadcutter yo.

[Akzle]

I run 185g semi wadcutter in my 45, not the most accurate but cheap.

semi?
go for a slower powder.
If that dont cut it, a lighter load of a faster one.
Somewhere twist meets speed meets pressure. At that point, yall can pop some caps in asses yo.

[jono035]

I run 185g semi wadcutter in my 45, not the most accurate but cheap. I compete/mainly shoot with 9mm so didn't justify the higher cost. Most people I know use round nose in their ones, don't know weight but very accurate

I've noticed SWC can cut the paper whereas I've noticed round nose usually cuts a hole. May have something to do with the fact both are below supersonic and SWC is usually slower and presents a bigger surface area to the paper?
Would checking splatter pattern on steel help?

Interesting. The round nose ones kinda split the paper then push through... Wadcutters are supposed to punch a hole but I think that's more for cardboard targets, not paper. On paper the 'slap' of the flat face might cause the tear, rather than the gradual push of the round nose, I guess.

I haven't seen anyone at Howick or CSI shooting anything other than round nose and the occasional hollow point. Richard at Serious Shooters mentioned that conical HP is the most accurate bullet he has found for 9mm, don't know if that translates to .45...

[Swoop]

What do the shooters you know use with the .45? JHP? Not sure if I'd want to make a permanent switch to jacketed due to price, but it'd be worth a quick figuring out.

If you are talking with Richard about projectiles, he will tell you that they are going out of all-lead projectiles due to the cost and having to deal with a local supplier/manufacturer...
He has a sample range of the new jacketed projectiles that they will be replacing their current stuff with. Worth a look.

All the .45 shooters I know use either 185gr SWC or 200grSWC. I don't know of anyone using jacketed proj in that round either.

[jono035]

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If you are talking with Richard about projectiles, he will tell you that they are going out of all-lead projectiles due to the cost and having to deal with a local supplier/manufacturer...
He has a sample range of the new jacketed projectiles that they will be replacing their current stuff with. Worth a look.

All the .45 shooters I know use either 185gr SWC or 200grSWC. I don't know of anyone using jacketed proj in that round either.

Very interesting... Maybe I need to revisit my auto-caster project

I've just ordered 1K Frontier plated Round Nose to try out. I might just try shooting from a bench/rest and see how good the plated ones are before doing anything too drastic. If they do better than 50mm at 15m then they're probably accurate enough for my shooting abilities.

[nseagoon]

I might have to muck around with my 45 load, dust the old girl off and have a go at the CSI shoot saturday and see what changes I end up with, here I was getting distracted by longer rifles.
The round may be seated a bit too far back. I was originally having problems with the round not chambering fully due to the projectile seated too far out I may have missed the middle ground.

As for the Steyr Akzle, they're not particularly modular. without looking at the A3 failed US project the NZ/Oz ones don't have availability for other calibres (Lithgow .22LR tests were unsuccessful), they have proprietary magazines, even with a nicely cleaned and graphite lubed trigger they're still not the greatest. I haven't used the Gun City ones but I do like the look of them with the 22" bull barrel, but they aren't $4k nice.
I'm not saying the AR platform is the be all and end all either but at $2k for a half decent one, then say $200 in parts from the states (or even a set of $10 JP springs) and you have a half decent rifle. I'm keeping an ear to the ground for the .308Win Tavor which may be longer than 762mm, therefore potentially available for NZ import. they take Stanag magazines, have rails up the wazoo and a nicer trigger than military steyrs.
Or just do what I do, have dream guns and projects from childhood, movies, games, books and internet browsing. ignore practicality and make them happen.

also IRT my De Lisle project, anyone used SWC projectiles for hunting?

[sAsLEX]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/ga...of-making-guns

Might need to see if you can make a rifle ...... that would be legal see.....

[jono035]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/ga...of-making-guns

Might need to see if you can make a rifle ...... that would be legal see.....

There are some guys in Canada who did it, from memory. It blew up pretty bad.

That thing is a neat idea, but it's still a bit of a joke.

I've seen some guys who have done interesting stuff with carbon fibre wrapping around 3D printed formers, so that'd be kinda interesting as a way of beefing up the barrel.

[jono035]

I might have to muck around with my 45 load, dust the old girl off and have a go at the CSI shoot saturday and see what changes I end up with, here I was getting distracted by longer rifles.
The round may be seated a bit too far back. I was originally having problems with the round not chambering fully due to the projectile seated too far out I may have missed the middle ground.

As for the Steyr Akzle, they're not particularly modular. without looking at the A3 failed US project the NZ/Oz ones don't have availability for other calibres (Lithgow .22LR tests were unsuccessful), they have proprietary magazines, even with a nicely cleaned and graphite lubed trigger they're still not the greatest. I haven't used the Gun City ones but I do like the look of them with the 22" bull barrel, but they aren't $4k nice.
I'm not saying the AR platform is the be all and end all either but at $2k for a half decent one, then say $200 in parts from the states (or even a set of $10 JP springs) and you have a half decent rifle. I'm keeping an ear to the ground for the .308Win Tavor which may be longer than 762mm, therefore potentially available for NZ import. they take Stanag magazines, have rails up the wazoo and a nicer trigger than military steyrs.
Or just do what I do, have dream guns and projects from childhood, movies, games, books and internet browsing. ignore practicality and make them happen.

also IRT my De Lisle project, anyone used SWC projectiles for hunting?

Where is the CSI shoot? Deerstalkers or Warkworth? What kind of shooting are they doing out there? An IPSC setup or fixed distance targets?

[Akzle]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/ga...of-making-guns

Might need to see if you can make a rifle ...... that would be legal see.....

guns are easy enough to make as is,
just not for angry teenagers.
And why the fuck would your neighbour shoot you for printing a spanner? Who the fuck writes this shit?

Of course, any nigger with a 5 axis cnc doesnt need to fuckaround with "printing" plastic...

[Swoop]

Very interesting... Maybe I need to revisit my auto-caster project

There was a chap John (? surname) out Kumeu way, who had made an auto casting process. Bloody interesting it was too! Four sets of cavity moulds that rotated around with lead pouring in the top and the moulds separating to allow the projectile to fall free at a later station. Swaging and lubing was a different process but he had that working well also. Not too sure what happened to him... I could use some of his projectiles now!

[nseagoon]

Where is the CSI shoot? Deerstalkers or Warkworth? What kind of shooting are they doing out there? An IPSC setup or fixed distance targets?

CSI Invite only at Deerstalkers from Trevor on behalf of Omni. I can PM you his contact details if you don't have them already.
This week it's ISSF, 25m standing only.
I missed last week which was IPSC. There's usually a shoot a month.

Have you seen the 3d printed colt 1911? http://www.solidconcepts.com/news-re...olid-concepts/
a lot of prep work went into filing the parts smooth when printing was complete but it worked first time, although the oversized parts do look rather comical.
I think this is the future of actual printed firearms, the plastic ones are still pretty much a concept at this stage and were more made to prove a point about the pointlessness of regulating firearms, whereas this printed metal pistol has more practical applications.

I found a enfield/1911 adaptor. pretty pricey though, definitely looking like I'll make or have made something in NZ http://www.specialinterestarms.com/i...ld_conversions

[jono035]

CSI Invite only at Deerstalkers from Trevor on behalf of Omni. I can PM you his contact details if you don't have them already.
This week it's ISSF, 25m standing only.
I missed last week which was IPSC. There's usually a shoot a month.

Have you seen the 3d printed colt 1911? http://www.solidconcepts.com/news-re...olid-concepts/
a lot of prep work went into filing the parts smooth when printing was complete but it worked first time, although the oversized parts do look rather comical.
I think this is the future of actual printed firearms, the plastic ones are still pretty much a concept at this stage and were more made to prove a point about the pointlessness of regulating firearms, whereas this printed metal pistol has more practical applications.

I found a enfield/1911 adaptor. pretty pricey though, definitely looking like I'll make or have made something in NZ http://www.specialinterestarms.com/i...ld_conversions

Yeah, I keep seeing the e-mails go out from Trevor but I've never been. Do you have any idea what the IPSC course is like out there?

Also, I've tried asking if the Warkworth shoots were IPSC or just stationary targets but haven't heard anything back about that, either. Should probably just go along.

[jono035]

There was a chap John (? surname) out Kumeu way, who had made an auto casting process. Bloody interesting it was too! Four sets of cavity moulds that rotated around with lead pouring in the top and the moulds separating to allow the projectile to fall free at a later station. Swaging and lubing was a different process but he had that working well also. Not too sure what happened to him... I could use some of his projectiles now!

Ah yeah, I've seen a commercial one that works like that, too.

I was going to try making one based around a single mold and a reciprocating motion... It seems like they take a while to come up to temperature and get 'settled' so that the rate of cooling from the fans or ambient matches the heating from each charge of molten lead. I was going to festoon the thing with thermocouples and see if I could take a slightly more 'electronic' approach to it all.

Needed a welder and enough space that I wouldn't burn my house down, though. Both things that I'll hopefully have remedied in not too long.

So many projects, so little time.