The firearm thread

[husaberg]

No shit Fuckwit - That means it's not a valid reason for Exemption. Since Sport shooting uses Semi-Autos, It is now Banned.

All Sights are an Integral Part of a Firearm. They are also designed to be part of a Prohibited Weapon (Common Mounting options are a thing). So because of Sloppy wording it covers all Sights/Optics.

As for Suppressors (Silencers only exist in the Movies...) There are none that are Integral, unless you mean integrally suppressed Barrels - which is a little bit different. Again, Sloppy Wording by including a part that is not Integral into the list of Integral parts has opened up the clause to some extremely broad interpretation.



I did. I've acknowledged that the act now no-longer says 'Military Calibres' (The internet is a wonderful thing, that has a long memory), however the fact that with an Undemocratic process ANY Ammunition can be rendered prohibited (And that could mean all Ammunition of a Calibre) then it still stands.

The rest, is simply for you to Read. By no longer allowing Sport Shooting as a reason for owning a Cat-E rifle, the Sport is, by proxy, Banned.
By stating Sights as an Integral part of a prohibited Firearm, they have (through sloppy wording) banned Optics/Sights - unless they amend the legislation to clarify what they mean. I suspect they simply mean something like an AR front-post sight/gasblock - but that's not what they've said.

Hes adds the hysterical abusive childlike idiot back to ignore.
Not only does TDL claim to know more about security than the FBI
More about the US law than a Supreme court Judge.
he now knows more about the law and legel jargon and meaning than the lawyers who drafted the Bill.
He knows more about legal gun parts than a NZ gun shop
https://www.guncity.com/firearm-accessories/silencers
https://www.guncity.com/?q=sights
Thats impressive.
Plus even when hes wrong and cleary proven wrong he will stll incessantly argue on regardless.

http://legislation.govt.nz/bill/gove...est/whole.html
Suppressors - Gone.
Calibres/Ammunition - Gone.
Sport Shooting - Gone.
Optics/Sights - Gone.
To all those who laughed and said 'Oh, this won't affect me', May I suggest you work on your submissions?
They want to Ban 'Military Calibres' - so .308, .223, 7.62, 5.56, .338, .303, .30-06, .30-30 - Gone.
What will the law abiding Kiwi Firearm owners be left with?

As Mrs Brown would say "thats nice"
GO on back to making up and posting more shit that i or indeed other people have not not or insinuated. to attempt to strengthen your obvious ill -informed and incorrect position, Katman style.........

[TheDemonLord]

Hes adds the hysterical abusive childlike idiot back to ignore.
Not only does TDL claim to know more about security than the FBI
More about the US law than a Supreme court Judge.
he now knows more about the law and legel jargon and meaning than the lawyers who drafted the Bill.
Thats impressive.
Plus even when hes wrong and cleary proven wrong he will stll incessantly argue on regardless.
As Mrs Brown would say "thats nice"

Where have you proven me wrong? You've quoted the Legislation and Acknowledged that there is no exemption for Sport shooting. That's proving me right.
Lawyers know Legal Jargon, but clearly they don't know shit about Firearms. See how they refer to 'Silencers' as integral, or the part where a 'silencer' can turn a Rifle into a Semi or Fully Automatic rifle.

The reason for Silencer vs Suppressor is because it doesn't 'Silence' the firearm, it only 'Suppresses' the sound.

Suppressor: "The technical definition for a firearm suppression device"

Here's your chance - if you can post a 'Silencer' that makes a Rifle into either a Semi or full auto rifle - I'll concede the point and admit your superior knowledge on all things Firearms.

[husaberg]

Man jailed for selling guns to gang
6:13 pm on 25 July 2014
An Auckland man who spent $50,000 on rifles and shotguns he modified and passed onto gang members has been sent to prison for nearly six years.
Peter Edwards was sentenced in the Auckland District Court on Friday to five years and 10 months on firearms charges, as well as charges of supplying methamphetamine.
Judge Nevin Dawson said Edwards, who had a firearms licence, bought .22 calibre rifles as well as shotguns from a gun shop before cutting them down and adding pistol grips.
He supplied them to members of the Head Hunters gang
Edwards was caught when police noticed a trend of Headhunters gang members being caught with guns modified in the same way, usually cut down with pistol grips.
Some of the rifles also had barrells threaded so silencers could be attached and all the guns had their serial numbers filed off.
Police later arrested a gang member who was found with a shotgun they could trace back to Edwards.
Judge Dawson said Edwards spent $50,000 on 72 guns and 67 of them came from the one shop, Gun City.
Edwards was caught when police noticed a trend of Headhunters gang members being caught with guns modified in the same way, usually cut down with pistol grips.
Some of the rifles also had barrells threaded so silencers could be attached and all the guns had their serial numbers filed off.
Police later arrested a gang member who was found with a shotgun they could trace back to Edwards.
Judge Dawson said Edwards spent $50,000 on 72 guns and 67 of them came from the one shop, Gun City.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...g-guns-to-gang

Firearm importers prepare for court battle with police over over semi-automatic rifles
12:45, Jul 20 2018
An AR15 with a free-standing pistol grip, or a larger magazine, is deemed a military style semi-automatic rifle (MSSA) and requires the more rigorously inspected "E-Cat" firearm licence.
Tipple's lawyer, Nicholas Taylor, said police refused the importation of AR15 rifles able to be purchased with a standard licence, arguing the rifles were "born as MSSAs".
Dealers elsewhere had received a similar notification from police, he said.
"You have a rifle that's coming from overseas, which doesn't actually have any of the features that define it as an MSSA, and the police have just decided not to apply the definition of that firearm – that is under the Arms Act – to it."
Firearm retailer Ken Rountree, owner of NZAR15, is also contemplating court action after having an import application denied.
"We submitted our permits as per what we'd done in the past ... we'll know more in the next few days exactly what game the police are playing."
Council of Licenced Firearms Owners (COLFO) chairman Paul Clark said the distinction between standard rifles and MSSAs was a "murky area" where frustrations were coming to a head.
He expected there would be others pondering court action, and it had been suggested COLFO seek a judicial review.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105...tomatic-rifles

Police call for back-up after Gun City owner David Tipple pulled over doing 177km/h 7 Nov, 2016 5:03pm
The police officer would later say that in 23 years of policing, Tipple "would have been one of worst people he's ever dealt with".
An experienced police officer who pulled over Gun City owner David Tipple after he was clocked speeding at 177km/h claims the millionaire was so confrontational that he called for back-up, a court heard yesterday.
Tipple, 61, had been travelling through Central Otago on April 8 this year when a member of the public phoned police to complain about his driving.
The gun dealer was stopped by police near Twizel and "essentially warned", Christchurch District Court heard.
But after being sent on his way, another police constable clocked Tipple's Audi car travelling near the Lindis Pass at 181km/h.
He referred to Tipple being convicted for driving at dangerous speed in 1982; driving in a dangerous manner in 1980; driving in a dangerous manner and failing to stop for police in 1989; and in 2008 driving recklessly and failing to stop for police. He also alluded to a "smattering" of other convictions both in New Zealand and overseas.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11743823

Only Mp that doesnt support Firemearm Bill was too busy taking it up to the media and misses the vote.

"Poor David, he made an absolute fool of himself," Ms Bennett said

https://www.facebook.com/NewshubNZ/v...8759835549399/

[jasonu]

The way it is written looks like they hired the same dickhead that writes the MNZ rules. Poorly worded with lots of vagaries and plenty of room for misinterpretations. As for the buy back, firearms hold their value really well as long as you look after them. My AR15 was $1k 5 years ago and will still sell used for $850 all day long. You will be lucky to see a grand for your mint condition DPMS AR10 you paid $3k for.
All bought to you by the waste of space labour band of morons. The same lot that promised 1000 affordable homes and delivered less than 50. They are lucky that National are even more useless then them and the only MP that had the balls to vote against the new legislation was too useless to show up in time for the vote. What a joke.

[FJRider]

Poorly worded with lots of vagaries and plenty of room for misinterpretations.

Misinterpretation by whom ... Law enforcement or the average firearms owner .. ???

As for the buy back, firearms hold their value really well as long as you look after them. My AR15 was $1k 5 years ago and will still sell used for $850 all day long. You will be lucky to see a grand for your mint condition DPMS AR10 you paid $3k for.

[jasonu]

Misinterpretation by whom ... Law enforcement or the average firearms owner .. ???

Both. If it is law it should be written water tight or at least close to it. This is far from that standard.

[TheDemonLord]

Misinterpretation by whom ... Law enforcement or the average firearms owner .. ???

Do you remember the High Court case over the Police re-interpreting what a Thumbhold Stock was? Cause I do, so it's not like there isn't some precedent here.

[husaberg]

Both. If it is law it should be written water tight or at least close to it. This is far from that standard.

Loopholes in the rules is what allowed the Ar15's and other in here that were supposed to be originally banned.
All the did was issue them compliant mags and altered the stocks with the plastic loop to enclose the trigger.

the loopholes the gunshop exploited was they also sold the large mags as anyone could purchase those as well no questions asked.
Yet not one of you critised the loopholes in the laws then.

Anyone who purchased these knew they were exploiting a loophole in the law.
They did so, not for freedom of choice or honorable means they did it to make more money they never cared less what the outcome would be.
IF you wanted to get a E cat licience previously to legally own a MSSA for fun or target shooting was not deemed a valid reason by the assessors
its also a draft bill, but unfortunately for the few decenters against the change it has bipartisan support there is only one MP likely to vote against it.
There is no such thing as water tight rules and laws if that was the case we would have seen your president trumps Tax returns by now.

[TheDemonLord]

Loopholes in the rules is what allowed the Ar15's and other in here that were supposed to be originally banned.
All the did was issue them compliant mags and altered the stocks with the plastic loop to enclose the trigger.

the loopholes the gunshop exploited was they also sold the large mags as anyone could purchase those as well no questions asked.
Anyone who purchased these knew they were exploiting a loophole in the law.
They did so not for fredom of choice or honorable means they did it to make more money they never cared less what the outcome would be.
IF you wanted to get a E cat licience previously to legally own a MSSA for fun or target shooting was not deemed a valid reason by the assessors
its also a draft bill, but unfortunately for the few decenters against the change it has bipartisan support there is only one MP likely to vote against it.
There is no such thing as water tight rules and laws if that was the case we would have seen your president trumps Tax returns by now.

And now it's Husaberg that knows more than the Police, the NZ Highcourt and the Firearms community....

Also for added lols: COLFO agree with me that the wording of the proposed legislation could make every firearm illegal:

"The current wording of the legislation that came out yesterday said that anybody in possession of a sight for a firearm, a butt, is going to have a prohibited part. Every firearm has a sight on it, so we’ll all be made criminals if this goes through in its current form."

For more added lols on Sport shooting:

Deerstalkers Association spokesperson Bill O'Leary said quite a few of its members were competition shooters and the proposed ban would spell the end of those events.

For extra Added Lols (GunsNZ CEO):

He said he believed the $100 to $200 million estimate for the cost of the buy back was way too low, estimating it could cost the government up to $1.5 billion.

Que some serious Ironing.

[husaberg]

And now it's Husaberg that knows more than the Police, the NZ Highcourt and the Firearms community....

No i know what loopholes were there and how the police wanted them shut and were constantly challenging the importation of AR15's
i also know as well as you do that a a cat licence holder could purchase alternate large capacity mags for a AR15. if you cant see and admit that is a loophole you are even dimmer than i expected.

Also for added lols: COLFO agree with me that the wording of the proposed legislation could make every firearm illegal:

Really, the leader of a gun lobby doesnt like the rules that's incredible,but unlike you he doesnt say it would or it does he says it could.
Also is that isn't it odd that wasn't contained in the submission they put to the select committee in 2016. but what was, was stuff cut copied and pasted direct from the NRA in the USA.
unless all of a sudden in NZ we often use the term varmint. Its not a professional organisation is it nor are they exactly without bias.
https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...e9bc22727ef15d

COLFO considers that most licensed owners have 3-6 firearms on average. Most would own a
.22 rifle, a centrefire rifle and a shotgun. This means that a successful targeting of a licensed
owner in a burglary would “net” the underworld 3-6 firearms which would remain in
circulation for a very long period50 within criminal circles.
The amount of ammunition held is speculative at best. A deer hunter may only hold 40-80
rounds at any one time. A varmint shooter, carrying pest destruction may hold thousands of
rounds at a time as it is cheaper to buy in bulk. A target shooter, firing hundreds of rounds a
week may hold tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

For more added lols on Sport shooting:

Still Doesnt say banned by the law
Nor does it ban sport shooting.

For extra Added Lols (GunsNZ CEO):

So the gun lobby wants more money
Maybe they should look for some Russian donors like the NRA does to help fill its coffers.

Que some serious Ironing.

Really

http://legislation.govt.nz/bill/gove...est/whole.html
Suppressors - Gone.

NO

Calibres/Ammunition - Gone.

No

Sport Shooting - Gone.

No

Optics/Sights - Gone. No
To all those who laughed and said 'Oh, this won't affect me', May I suggest you work on your submissions?
They want to Ban 'Military Calibres' - so .308, .223, 7.62, 5.56, .338, .303, .30-06, .30-30 - Gone

. No

What will the law abiding Kiwi Firearm owners be left with?

The same firearms as before just more restricted in who can own what based on licence endorsement.

[pritch]

Not only does TDL claim to know more about security than the FBI

To be fair the average receptionist might know more than the FBI. Although to be fair it was probably the Secret Service, but they regard themselves as the cream of the crop, despite the recent-ish stories about drunkeness, prostitutes, missed trespassers in the White House etc etc.

Last weekend a woman, a Chinese national, fronted at Mar a Largo, Trump's "summer whitehouse" telling the Secret Service she was there to use the pool. They let her in. When she got to the Reception desk the receptionist was not happy with her story and phoned the Secret Service. When they spoke to her the second time her story was considered suspect. She had no swimming gear, but she did have four cell phones, a laptop, an external hard drive, and a thumb drive containing malware, among other things.

Yes, Trump was in residence.

[husaberg]

To be fair the average receptionist might know more than the FBI. Although to be fair it was probably the Secret Service, but they regard themselves as the cream of the crop, despite the recent-ish stories about drunkeness, prostitutes, missed trespassers in the White House etc etc.

Last weekend a woman, a Chinese national, fronted at Mar a Largo, Trump's "summer whitehouse" telling the Secret Service she was there to use the pool. They let her in. When she got to the Reception desk the receptionist was not happy with her story and phoned the Secret Service. When they spoke to her the second time her story was considered suspect. She had no swimming gear, but she did have four cell phones, a laptop, an external hard drive, and a thumb drive containing malware, among other things.

Yes, Trump was in residence.

To be fair, there maybe presidential orders to let in some people who bit broad physical descriptions.
I commented on the poor standard of security the Secret service used letting in someone with trump enter through the outside door on the limo the other day, when Trump lost the Limo i think you posted it.
I guess the staff are a reflection of their management.

[TheDemonLord]

No i know what loopholes were there and how thr police wanted them shut and were constantly challanging the importation of AR15's
i also know as well as you do that a a cat licence holder could purchase alternate large capiscty mags for a AR15. if you cant see and admit that is a loophole you are even dimmer than i expected.

I've repeatedly said that removing the loophole that allowed for the purchase of large capacity magazines that are patterned for a Semi-Auto lower receiver should be closed. I've bought Magazines for my Rifle, all of them hold 5 rounds.

If that was the law change, I'd be happy with it.
If it also required additional oversight or vetting of potential Applicants, I'd also be happy with it.

But it's neither of those things - it's "Ban everything that looks scary".

Really, the leader of a gun lobby doesnt like the rules that's incredible,but unlike you he doesnt say it would or it does he says it could.
Also is that isn't it odd that wasn't contained in the submission they put to the select committee in 2016. but what was, was stuff cut copied and pasted direct from the NRA in the USA.
unless all of a sudden in NZ we often use the term varmint. Its not a professional organisation is it nor are they exactly without bias.
https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...e9bc22727ef15d

So you were happy to quote them as an Authority when they made a point you thought agreed with your rubbish (whilst ignoring that it was made prior the release of the law change) and now they are saying something you don't like they aren't credible? Funny that...

The problem of 'Could' is because of the vagueness of the legislation. As it is written, the police could declare any Sight (Optic, Iron, Holo, red-dot, NV, Thermal etc.) as a Prohibited Item since all of them can fit onto a Prohibited Firearm and Sights are an integral part of all Firearms. That makes all sights in NZ potentially Illegal to own without a Cat-E Licence. All Firearms have Sights.

Do you understand how that works?

Still Doesnt say banned by the law
Nor does it ban sport shooting.

Can you point to the legislation to show that Sport Shooting is a valid exemption for owning a Prohibited Item or Rifle? Cause if you can't (and we both know you can't, since you've already quoted the relevant parts which state the valid exceptions) - then you are wrong.

So the gun lobby wants more money
Maybe they should look for some Russian donors like the NRA does to help fill its coffers.

No, they don't want more money. People like me want to be compensated for what is being taken from us at gunpoint.

Do you want to sell me your house for $5? If the answer is no, then you are no different from me. With the wording of the Legislation as is, all ancillary items are now prohibited and they need to be compensated.

The removal of Sport-Shooting as a reason to own E-Cat Rifles means that all of the high-end competition stuff (which can easily be $10k+ in a Rifle) is also now prohibited.

Add in the restrictions of ITAR, it means that NZ Businesses with stock cannot onsell them elsewhere.

Really

The same firearms as before just more restricted in who can own what based on licence endorsement.

The same Firearms - except all the ones being banned - You are contradicting yourself. I've acknowledged they've removed the phrase 'Military Ammunition' - doesn't change that this was what was in the first draft, nor does it change the fact that any Ammunition can be declared prohibited with no democratic process.

[husaberg]

I've repeatedly said that removing the loophole that allowed for the purchase of large capacity magazines that are patterned for a Semi-Auto lower receiver should be closed. I've bought Magazines for my Rifle, all of them hold 5 rounds.

If that was the law change, I'd be happy with it.
If it also required additional oversight or vetting of potential Applicants, I'd also be happy with it.

But it's neither of those things - it's "Ban everything that looks scary".

Thats tough for you then, because that is not whats going to happen, nor is it what happened in Australia after Port Arthur.
You don't seem to associate that when people use a weapon such as a AR15 to shoot and wound multiple people, while thay are clearly committing a crime.
They are also using the AR15 for its only solely designed purpose, TThe exact same one that Eugene stoner designed it for.
Killing and wounding people as fast and as many as possible. That’s exactly what it was engineered to do as cheaply and as easily as possible.
The public at large does not seem to support your view either.

So you were happy to quote them as an Authority when they made a point you thought agreed with your rubbish (whilst ignoring that it was made prior the release of the law change) and now they are saying something you don't like they aren't credible? Funny that...

I only used their figures, as they were bound to be over the top as they were trying to make out any change will cost to much
But in case you missed it the majority of NZ supports this move the Parliament supports this move.
the cost of doing this has been deemed as irrelevant when it comes to protecting people in NZ. its also a one off cost.
The ongoing costs of the database etc will likely be covered in increased licence costs to cover the expenses. Thata only fair.

The problem of 'Could' is because of the vagueness of the legislation. As it is written, the police could declare any Sight (Optic, Iron, Holo, red-dot, NV, Thermal etc.) as a Prohibited Item since all of them can fit onto a Prohibited Firearm and Sights are an integral part of all Firearms. That makes all sights in NZ potentially Illegal to own without a Cat-E Licence. All Firearms have Sights.

Do you understand how that works?

Clearly you dont police cant declare anything as being legal that is not written into law.
ANyone who objects to the crown in NZ can challenge the interpretation just as Gun city did to bring in the AR15's used by the CHCH terrorist.
If you actually understood what was written and i posted it plain as day what you are implying is again complete and utter nonsense.

Can you point to the legislation to show that Sport Shooting is a valid exemption for owning a Prohibited Item or Rifle? Cause if you can't (and we both know you can't, since you've already quoted the relevant parts which state the valid exceptions) - then you are wrong.

The draft bill does not ban any sport it merely defines who can operate what weapons and what weapons are what class and what parts are allowed to be purchased and sold by what endorsement If you cant understand this this is your problem.

No, they don't want more money. People like me want to be compensated for what is being taken from us at gunpoint.

Though, thats life get over it. nothing is being taken from you at gunpoint. You are kidding if you expect to be paid for your emotional attachment or your loss of ability to play bang bang.

Do you want to sell me your house for $5? If the answer is no, then you are no different from me. With the wording of the Legislation as is, all ancillary items are now prohibited and they need to be compensated.

As has been pointed out to you numerous times unless its an integral part to the operation of the Prohibited item its not a prohibited item.
I also know you have unrealistic expectations as for one you claimed your second hand firearm should be worth what you paid for it. You are to emotional to even realize this.
You are also far to hysterical and are unable to act in a reasonable manner. As you dont understand what something is worth or what is fair or reasonable. I actually have to start questioning if you should have ever owned such firearms in the first place.
Also if we couple that with the thoughts and views expressed on KB previously, about right wing extremism and islamic people and attacks on them plus you imediate comments after the atttack, its becoming clear that if any watch list that existed that included the CHCH terrorist should have also included you.

The removal of Sport-Shooting as a reason to own E-Cat Rifles means that all of the high-end competition stuff (which can easily be $10k+ in a Rifle) is also now prohibited.

Only probltlem is Sport shooting was not deemed a valid reason E to own a MSSA in the E cat endorsement previously.

The same Firearms - except all the ones being banned - You are contradicting yourself. I've acknowledged they've removed the phrase 'Military Ammunition' - doesn't change that this was what was in the first draft, nor does it change the fact that any Ammunition can be declared prohibited with no democratic process.

No the bill defines what weapons and what parts fall under what category. plus what is allowed to be purchased under what licience or not.
I hate to point this out to you in a democracy an individual doesn't get to vore on each law change or amendment.
The draft bill doesnt say what you said it said its that simple, you posted a heap of crap. You still are you will likely do so in the future.

[TheDemonLord]

Thats tough for you then, because that is not whats going to happen,

Exactly - well thought out gun legislation that actually deals with the problem isn't going to happen.
Emotionally pandering to the ignorant masses is what is happening.

You don't seem to associate that when people use a weapon such as a AR15 to shoot and wound multiple people, while thay are clearly committing a crime.
They are also using the AR15 for its only solely designed purpose, TThe exact same one that Eugene stoner designed it for.
Killing and wounding people as fast and as many as possible. That’s exactly what it was engineered to do as cheaply and as easily as possible.
The public at large does not seem to support your view either.

So, how do you explain the nearly 30 years in NZ, where people have had ARs (remember, it was designed in the 1960s) with no Mass Shootings? If an AR can only be used to shoot people and lots of people have ARs - how do you explain that?

Unless, of course, all of those people used them for lawful purposes...

I only used their figures, as they were bound to be over the top as they were trying to make out any change will cost to much
But in case you missed it the majority of NZ supports this move the Parliament supports this move.
the cost of doing this has been deemed as irrelevant when it comes to protecting people in NZ. its also a one off cost.
The ongoing costs of the database etc will likely be covered in increased licence costs to cover the expenses. Thata only fair.

Protecting NZ people? Has there been a change in the Police Vetting procedures? No? So someone like the Terrorist could still access a Firearm? It won't do SHIT for safety.

Then you have to contend with the fact that other items (Trucks, Cars, Planes, Chemicals etc. etc.) have all been successfully used in Terrorist attacks that killed more people - you going to ban those too to make NZ 'safe'?

You used their figures deceptively, When it was just the Semi-Autos and no components, the Governments estimate was wrong by a factor of about 5 (and that was using some exceptionally conservative numbers) - now we know the details of the Ban, that figure ballooned to over a Billion - whereas the Government figures are still laughably low.

Clearly you dont police cant declare anything as being legal that is not written into law.
ANyone who objects to the crown in NZ can challenge the interpretation just as Gun city did to bring in the AR15's used by the CHCH terrorist.
If you actually understood what was written and i posted it plain as day what you are implying is again complete and utter nonsense.

Except the Law as written could mean Any Sight. Because of exceptionally sloppy wording. I'll spell it out again: A sight is an Integral part of Any firearm. Any Integral part of a Prohibited firearm (semi-auto) is now a Prohibited Item, with Sights specifically named. Since any sight can be fitted to any prohibited firearm: ANY SIGHT CAN BE CONSIDERED A PROHIBITED ITEM.

Now, if the wording was changed to draw some very clear distinctions (ya'know - if it was written by people who understood firearms) then we can get passed this point.

The draft bill does not ban any sport it merely defines who can operate what weapons and what weapons are what class and what parts are allowed to be purchased and sold by what endorsement If you cant understand this this is your problem.

Yes, and people who used to be able to operate those Firearms now have their exemption revoked. If you can't understand THIS then it's your problem.

Though, thats life get over it. nothing is being taken from you at gunpoint. You are kidding if you expect to be paid for your emotional attachment or your loss of ability to play bang bang.

What happens if I don't hand in my Rifle? Do the Police show up? If I refuse to comply - what happens next? That's right - the Armed Offenders squad.

But prove me wrong - sell me your house for $5 - afterall "You are kidding if you expect to be paid for your emotional attachment to your house."

Not to mention that the whole point of the buyback is to encourage compliance - if people get low-balled, do you think that will encourage them to comply?

As has been pointed out to you numerous times unless its an integral part to the operation of the Prohibited item its not a prohibited item.

If you are trying to claim that, then NO sight makes a Rifle Semi-Automatic. So why include it? Also - the Legislation doesn't specify 'operation' - so stop lying. As I keep explaining the wording is so sloppy that it encompasses any sight.

I also know you have unrealistic expectations as for one you claimed your second hand firearm should be worth what you paid for it. You are to emotional to even realize this.
You are also far to hysterical and are unable to act in a reasonable manner. As you dont understand what something is worth or what is fair or reasonable. I actually have to start questioning if you should have ever owned such firearms in the first place.

It's had less than 200 rounds through it, that's pretty much brand new. I expect to be paid accordingly. Forcing someone to hand over private property and not paying them properly for that is a Crime.

Also if we couple that with the thoughts and views expressed on KB previously, about right wing extremism and islamic people and attacks on them plus you imediate comments after the atttack, its becoming clear that if any watch list that existed that included the CHCH terrorist should have also included you.

Keep dreaming. If you can't distinguish between being critical of the Qu'ran and the extremist strains of Islam with terrorism, then you are using the same brush the Terrorist used when he committed his act.

Only probltlem is Sport shooting was not deemed a valid reason E to own a MSSA in the E cat endorsement previously.

Except for all those E-Cat licence holders whose reason for owning was sport shooting... Fuckwit.

No the bill defines what weapons and what parts fall under what category. plus what is allowed to be purchased under what licience or not.

It really doesn't, because the wording is so broad and nebulus is could mean anything - see the comments from COLFO.

I hate to point this out to you in a democracy an individual doesn't get to vore on each law change or amendment.
The draft bill doesnt say what you said it said its that simple, you posted a heap of crap. You still are you will likely do so in the future.

I'll remember that next time you champion a Minority cause (for example, Gay rights or Trans rights or similar) and I'll use the same standard you've used - that Tyranny by the Majority against the Minority is just fine.