The firearm thread

[Voltaire]

Laurel and Hardy come to mind.

I disagree, they were at least entertaining.

Suggest they sort it out in a manner appropriate to the discussion...



or the far more probable one.



No putting rocks in handbags, only one handbag allowed, must not be a knock off handbag.

[Swoop]

Govt Immigration ossifers let the evil lunatic in from Oz.

Govt Police ossifers vetted him and gave him a FAL.

Then - he broke the law, actually, many laws, on his murderous outing.

And this is the fault of law-abiding citizens how exactly?

He also committed several (firearms) crimes prior to the shooting.
But yes, punishing the law-abiding firearms owners is the logical thing to do by a sensible gubbinment...

You will be lucky to see a grand for your mint condition DPMS AR10 you paid $3k for.

This is why so many shooters are waiting to see what the buy-back prices will be.
Australia had to have several attempts at it because nobody surrendered their firearms the first time around since the price offered was so ridiculous.

... and there has been a fully functioning submarine gun made here...

Well that will be very useful for shooting submarines.
Was James Bond involved?

[Swoop]

It's not surprising to see that the commision of enquiry has been hamstrung by the current government, by not being able to delve into the lawchange regarding online licence applications & vetting. Guess who signed off on this stupid proposal (obviously to save money...) and is current leader of the labour party?

[husaberg]

The poll of voters regarding the new gun laws showed that 61% of Kiwis thought the new law was "about right".

A further 19% of people said the law does not actually go far enough
14%f those surveyed thought the legislation went too far.
5 per cent of people said they did not know. 2 refused to answer.

So unlike the claims of wide spread support only 14 percent of Kiwis think the gun laws went too far.
80% of kiwis either agree with the changes or actually want to see them go even further.

[jasonu]

The poll of voters regarding the new gun laws showed that 61% of Kiwis thought the new law was "about right".

A further 19% of people said the law does not actually go far enough
14%f those surveyed thought the legislation went too far.
5 per cent of people said they did not know. 2 refused to answer.

So unlike the claims of wide spread support only 14 percent of Kiwis think the gun laws went too far.
80% of kiwis either agree with the changes or actually want to see them go even further.

How many people were polled and were they city or rural folk, National or Labour supporters, young or old or was it a fair mix of all???

[pritch]

The poll of voters regarding the new gun laws showed that 61% of Kiwis thought the new law was "about right".

While watching that item on the news last night the depressing thought occurred that very few of those polled would have known what the firearms laws were, and even less would know what they are now. OK though, they've got an opinion.

On another note, I recently opened a gun magazine I have here and was surprised to see some of the AR15 derivatives being advertised as A class firearms. I obviously hadn't been paying attention and was unaware of these developments. To a large extent shooters and the gun retail trade have themselves to blame for the situation in which we find ourselves.

[TheDemonLord]

The poll of voters regarding the new gun laws showed that 61% of Kiwis thought the new law was "about right".

A further 19% of people said the law does not actually go far enough
14%f those surveyed thought the legislation went too far.
5 per cent of people said they did not know. 2 refused to answer.

So unlike the claims of wide spread support only 14 percent of Kiwis think the gun laws went too far.
80% of kiwis either agree with the changes or actually want to see them go even further.

What would be interesting would be to poll that 80% and to see if they can tell the difference between an Assault Rifle and a Sporting Rifle, an M1 Garand (previously an E-Cat rifle) and an A-Cat AR Rifle.

I'm betting 90% wouldn't.

Also, someone has been doing some digging on the submissions, there are a lot of submissions with the same first name and identical Text. There's the Teacher that got all of her Classes to make a submission against it - possibly up to 1,000 submissions out of 15,000 just due to that one individual.

Considering the submissions were said to be 60% for and 40% against with Duplicates included, although we don't have a full analysis yet, it seems that the Fors and Against may be either closer to 50-50 or slightly against the bill, once duplicate and spurious entries are removed.

[TheDemonLord]

While watching that item on the news last night the depressing thought occurred that very few of those polled would have known what the firearms laws were, and even less would know what they are now. OK though, they've got an opinion.

On another note, I recently opened a gun magazine I have here and was surprised to see some of the AR15 derivatives being advertised as A class firearms. I obviously hadn't been paying attention and was unaware of these developments. To a large extent shooters and the gun retail trade have themselves to blame for the situation in which we find ourselves.

Possibly the M&P15-22, which since it's not a subcalibre conversion kit, and so can't be converted back to centre-fire, appears to be Legal under the new laws.

[husaberg]

While watching that item on the news last night the depressing thought occurred that very few of those polled would have known what the firearms laws were, and even less would know what they are now. OK though, they've got an opinion.

On another note, I recently opened a gun magazine I have here and was surprised to see some of the AR15 derivatives being advertised as A class firearms. I obviously hadn't been paying attention and was unaware of these developments. To a large extent shooters and the gun retail trade have themselves to blame for the situation in which we find ourselves.

Well they were all voters. As well as an opinion they have a vote go againt the voters wishes at your own peril, i dont think we can decide as a country that there is a certain degree of expected experience or knowledge before one can either vote of express an opinion or vote.
The numbers that agree is quite telling. As is the across party support.
as only 6% of the population that has a gun licence anyway.
I agree on the last sentence, the work around mods pushing in the AR15 to A class and at the same time freely selling large mags and fighting tooth and nail to allow it to continue to get around the spirit of the rules is one of the reasons for the draconian laws that are now being implemented.

[husaberg]

How many people were polled and were they city or rural folk, National or Labour supporters, young or old or was it a fair mix of all???

Between April 6 and 10, 1009 eligible voters were polled via landline and mobile phone. The maximum sampling error is approximately ±3.1%-points at the 95 per cent confidence level.
I did see one poll where they asked the voting preference as well. it was like 50% labour supporterss or something agreed

Seeing as its a random poll the majority would of course be labour voters anyway now.

Or if you want to look at it another way most were former National voters?

[pritch]

Received an email originating from the Deputy Commissioner today. Unfortunately the formatting doesn't transfer to KB.

Briefly: A, C and D licence holders need to fill in the form on the Police web site.

B Category licences are not effected.

Holders of E Cat firearms will be contacted apparently, all such firearms are now illegal and may not be fired.


https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/fi...bited-firearms

There are still the grey areas that you'd expect when a law is drafted with minimal technical expertise. Sometimes though it may be better not to ask the question 'cause then they can't say no?

[TheDemonLord]

I agree on the last sentence, the work around mods pushing in the AR15 to A class and at the same time freely selling large mags and fighting tooth and nail to allow it to continue to get around the spirit of the rules is one of the reasons for the draconian laws that are now being implemented.

Or...

That Certain individuals found they had a cause célèbre in which they could utilize to push through legislation and to get revenge on those who had repeatedly stopped their previous attempts.

Given how the Legislation goes so much further than merely banning semi-autos, Given statements by those same certain individuals, Given the farcical abuse of Democratic process used to push thish through - we're allowed to attribute bad faith to those involved.

[husaberg]

Here we are a month later still we have people moaning like little bitch's about losing access to owning a gun they never even needed in the first place.
Its well past the time you should have figured out why its a stand NZ as a whole is taking.
The change in NZ law is about lives, not money or some pathetic weapon you want to have for pose value or fun.
NZ doesn't have a right to bear arms in its constitution. Nor do you need a semi auto large calibre rifle, you simply want one.
People in NZ can still continue own a firearm as a privilege, to hunt with, as a hobby or sport or collecting.
But simply as a result of 50 innocent people getting killed recently in the mater of minutes by a total loser, you longer have that privilege anymore to own a large calibre semi Automatic anymore.
For those that continue on moaning. Man up and face facts. The laws been changed ITS OVER.

[jasonu]

Or if you want to look at it another way most were former National voters?

and a lot of former National voters voted for NZ1st as a protest against national, a protest that back fired on them. Looking at NZ21st's current level of support I doubt that will happen next time.

[husaberg]

and a lot of former National voters voted for NZ1st as a protest against national, a protest that back fired on them. Looking at NZ21st's current level of support I doubt that will happen next time.

NZ first and Labours vote is apparently increasing daily, while Nationals decrease. You do the maths.