The firearm thread

[jasonu]

Fits you to a T.

and that silly old cunt Prick too.

[husaberg]

Fits you to a T.

and that silly old cunt Prick too.

Funny that's what you would make out of someone posting something about confirmation bias.

Haha I saw that and here is the reaction from the head Fuzz.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12225566
What a joke.

So if it suits you and its in the NZ herald ,its great, its the almighty Bible FFS.
but if it doesn't suit your opinion the herald is full of shit....interesting.............Some might say thats pretty hypocritical of you.

Did you see that in the Herald?
Dopey old cunt.

Fuckwit. You know nothing more than the NZ Herald feeds you.

It is if you get all your dirt from the Herald.

and others get all their dirt from the Herald

What do you base these conclusions on? Been there? Lived there? Actually know or have even spoken to anyone from there? Or do you get all of your info from the crack reporting teams of the NZ Herald and/or TVNZ?

Coming from Mr. and Mrs. been nowhere and done nothing I read it in the Herald...

Stop reading the Herald.

I let pritch, the Herald and CNN do that.

Put the Herald down mate.

[jasonu]

Funny that's what you would make out of someone posting something about confirmation bias.


So if it suits you and its in the NZ herald ,its great, its the almighty Bible FFS.
but if it doesn't suit your opinion the herald is full of shit....interesting.............Some might say thats pretty hypocritical of you.

God how long have you been sitting on that one?

[husaberg]

God how long have you been sitting on that one?

Odd that you dont reply to the full text?
So how is it both gospel and heresy that the NZ Herald prints, depending on if it suits your opinion or not.
As for sitting on your quotes about the Herald its a 10 second search.

[jasonu]

Odd that you dont reply to the full text?
So how is it both gospel and heresy that the NZ Herald prints, depending on if it suits your opinion or not.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12224882
The NZ Fuzz really do suck. Giving out other peoples guns and not following solid leads on 'petty' crimes.

[husaberg]

Odd that you dont reply to the full text?
So how is it both gospel and heresy that the NZ Herald prints, depending on if it suits your opinion or not.
As for sitting on your quotes about the Herald its a 10 second search.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12224882
The NZ Fuzz really do suck. Giving out other peoples guns and not following solid leads on 'petty' crimes.

Case in point

Did you see that in the Herald?
Dopey old cunt.

Fuckwit. You know nothing more than the NZ Herald feeds you.

It is if you get all your dirt from the Herald.

and others get all their dirt from the Herald

What do you base these conclusions on? Been there? Lived there? Actually know or have even spoken to anyone from there? Or do you get all of your info from the crack reporting teams of the NZ Herald and/or TVNZ?

Coming from Mr. and Mrs. been nowhere and done nothing I read it in the Herald...

Stop reading the Herald.

I let pritch, the Herald and CNN do that.

Put the Herald down mate.

[pritch]

There is a lot of talk about the psychological term "projection" these days. Jason is an example of someone who projects, it's very obvious that he reads the Harold a whole lot more than I do. Not hard, I rarely ever look at it.

I did buy and read Bob Woodward's book, James Comey's book, and Andrew McCabe's book though. I've also now read most of the Mueller report, still working my way through Volume 1. Many people read Volume 2 first it seems.

There is some astounding crap on social media from people who are barely literate, and sadly that includes the current resident of the White House. The guy who takes the cake though is the genius who wrote recently that Jesus is the greatest American ever. Is that imbecile ever going to be pissed off if he finds out that Jesus was a brown dude from Palestine?

[jasonu]

Case in point

Monkey see monkey do. Stupid coconuts.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12225846

[husaberg]

Trying to emulate US street gangs is stupid in America let alone in NZ

[TheDemonLord]

Trying to emulate US street gangs is stupid in America let alone in NZ

So how does Switzerland factor into that Narrative?

Afterall - the Swiss are allowed to keep their Service Rifle after leaving the Military (that would be a fully Automatic Assault Rifle), most active service members store their Rifle at home, They have a higher rate of ownership (per capita) than NZ and yet, according to the memes you've posted, they have less Gun Violence than NZ.

If it's the Gun, why does this not happen in Switzerland?

[avgas]

I just found this under my house. Appears old - Internets say somewhere between 1913-1918 (because Savage bough Stevens in 1918) and this one is marked Stevens.

Stevens 22 single (crack) shot "boys" rifle. But with a hammer unlike my bolt action single shot.
Gonna clean it up and take it to a range. Movement it really good considering the condition.
Under my house, because 'merica

[avgas]

The forgot Opioids.... I think they are into the millions on that......

[husaberg]

So how does Switzerland factor into that Narrative?

Rather well. Maybe before you post stuff you might want to look further then the NRA website.
There are more domestic homicides and suicides with a firearm in Switzerland than pretty much anywhere else in Europe except Finland.

- the Swiss are allowed to keep their Service Rifle after leaving the Military (that would be a fully Automatic Assault Rifle),

Incorrect they are able to purchase the rifle but only if they are deemed to be competent and sane.

Heavy machine guns and automatic weapons are banned, as are silencers without a special licience
Firearms legislation in Switzerland allows the free purchase of semi-automatic, but not fully automatic firearms by Swiss citizens and foreigners with permanent residence.[note 1][1] Permits for concealed carrying in public are issued sparingly.The acquisition of fully automatic weapons, suppressors and target lasers likewise requires special permits issued by the cantonal firearms office.
In most cases the buyer needs a weapon acquisition permit, issued by the cantonal police
This will be refused if the applicant has a criminal record, an addiction or a psychiatric problem
A special permit is needed to carry a gun in public - and is usually issued only to people who work in security, once they have passed theoretical and practical exams
In 2006, the champion Swiss skier Corrinne Rey-Bellet and her brother were murdered by Corinne's estranged husband, who shot them with his old militia rifle before killing himself.
Since that incident, gun laws concerning army weapons have tightened. Although it is still possible for a former soldier to buy his firearm after he finishes military service, he must provide a justification for keeping the weapon and apply for a permit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

most active service members store their Rifle at home,

incorrect Less than 12% do. They also dont store ethe ammunition there..........
2011 referendum initiative to keep all militia firearms in a central arsenal - because, he says, of the evidence provided by recent statistics.
"Forty-three per cent of homicides are domestic related and 90% of those homicides are carried out with guns," he says.
"And we don't get bullets any more," he adds. "The Army doesn't give ammunition now - it's all kept in a central arsenal." This measure was introduced by Switzerland's Federal Council in 2007.
Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.
"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family," he says. "I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."
In order to purchase ammunition, the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply when buying guns. The buyer must provide the following information to the seller (art. 15, 16 WG/LArm; art. 24 WV/OArm):[2][1]
a passport or other valid official identification (the holder must be over 18 years of age and not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems. Further, they must not be a citizen of the following countries (art. 12 WV/OArm): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania).
a copy of their criminal record not older than 3 months, or a weapons acquistion permit which isn't older than 2 years, if asked by the seller (art. 24 § 3 WV/OArm)

They have a higher rate of ownership (per capita) than NZ

slightly less. but with far stricter laws.

according to the memes you've posted, they have less Gun Violence than NZ.

Yet they clearly dont, they have three times the homicide death rate as NZ does.

If it's the Gun, why does this not happen in Switzerland?

Really , So what do the stats suggest to you then?
But dont let any of that get in the way of your latest incorrect ravings


But if we are to follow swiss laws lets do all of them
Motorsport road racing circuits and events were banned in Switzerland in 1955.

Animals may not be kept by themselves but only with a companion.
The 2008 addendum to the Swiss animal rights code specifies for each animal how many others of their kind are required by law. In other words, a guinea pig requires at least one companion, and so does a mouse or a ferret!

It is unlawful to slam a car door after 10 PM

It is considered an offense to mow your lawn on a Sunday because it causes too much noise.

It is required that every car with snow tires has to have a sticker on its dashboard which tells that the driver should not drive faster than 160 km/h with these tires.

Clothes may not be hung to dry on Sunday.

You may not wash your car in your driveway on a Sunday.

[jafagsx250]

It's not surprising to see that the commision of enquiry has been hamstrung by the current government, by not being able to delve into the lawchange regarding online licence applications & vetting. Guess who signed off on this stupid proposal (obviously to save money...) and is current leader of the labour party?

It'll be a broom stick to sweep government failings under the carpet.

The poll of voters regarding the new gun laws showed that 61% of Kiwis thought the new law was "about right".

A further 19% of people said the law does not actually go far enough
14%f those surveyed thought the legislation went too far.
5 per cent of people said they did not know. 2 refused to answer.

So unlike the claims of wide spread support only 14 percent of Kiwis think the gun laws went too far.
80% of kiwis either agree with the changes or actually want to see them go even further.

I doubt any of them have actually read the law.

Well they were all voters. As well as an opinion they have a vote go againt the voters wishes at your own peril, i dont think we can decide as a country that there is a certain degree of expected experience or knowledge before one can either vote of express an opinion or vote.
The numbers that agree is quite telling. As is the across party support.
as only 6% of the population that has a gun licence anyway.
I agree on the last sentence, the work around mods pushing in the AR15 to A class and at the same time freely selling large mags and fighting tooth and nail to allow it to continue to get around the spirit of the rules is one of the reasons for the draconian laws that are now being implemented.

That's not gun owners fault. That's the cops and stupid politicians making rushed laws and not focusing on the standard capacity magazine. Anyone could have bought a 30 round mag. It should have been restricted to the E cat holders.

At least you've admitted that they're draconian.

[husaberg]

That's not gun owners fault. That's the cops and stupid politicians making rushed laws and not focusing on the standard capacity magazine. Anyone could have bought a 30 round mag. It should have been restricted to the E cat holders.

At least you've admitted that they're draconian.

No you clearly cant read. You just wish to attempt to change the context.
I replied to this.

On another note, I recently opened a gun magazine I have here and was surprised to see some of the AR15 derivatives being advertised as A class firearms. I obviously hadn't been paying attention and was unaware of these developments. To a large extent shooters and the gun retail trade have themselves to blame for the situation in which we find ourselves.

The gun lobby was 100% opposed to any changes to licencing in NZ prior to the shooting. That is what cost them any credibility. Gun city also initiated legal action against the police.
Guess what happened? those same rules they opposed were shown to be necessary.

COLFO opposes:
 Any amendment to the Arms Act (except as regards tariffs for offending) as this
will make no difference whatsoever to the criminal misuse of forearms;
 Any re-classification of semi-automatic rifles and shotguns to an “E”
endorsement as this will make no difference whatsoever to the criminal use of
firearms and will be counterproductive;
 Any restrictions on the lawful use of the firearms as this will make no difference
to the criminal misuse of firearms and will be counterproductive.

You can prance around on KB puffing your chest out, going on that you are right and a expert on gun laws and preventing incidents like this as much as you like, it will not get you anything but sympathy.
The attitude you display now is what cost you the semi autos.
Ask yourself this, did you really need a A class AR15,AR10 and legal sale of large cap mags.