The firearm thread

[Pound]

How dare you introduce cold hard facts that are not in line with the knee jerk rash policy makers agenda.

Mwhahaha...

I'm just waiting for Husa to come along and twist this somehow.....


"It's just some journalists opinion"......... Or somthing along those lines............

[Katman]

Mwhahaha...

I'm just waiting for Husa to come along and twist this somehow.....


"It's just some journalists opinion"......... Or somthing along those lines............

In 3....2....1.....

[TheDemonLord]

And you consider that conclusive? Remember, the point is one you made, so the onus lies on you.

It's more conclusive than anything you've brought up.

I've made the point, you just don't like what it means.

2016 Mosul Massacre, 300 deaths by firing squad. As callous as it may be to be playing some sort of top trumps with these horrific events, let's pay attention to reality...

Yeah, No.

If you think that is comparable, then you're being completely Dishonest. Try again.

Yup, which is yet another area where your 'chain of logic' falls over, all firearms have not been banned, yet you are blithering on about banning all trucks being the same?

If Only previously in the thread I had specified that I was referring to Trucks over 3.5 Tonne....

n fact in NZ, there's less Heavy trucks (over 3.5 Tonne) than there are Semi-Autos, yet the fatality rate for Trucks is nearly 9 times that of Firearms (2016 data - 75 Deaths for Trucks vs 9 Murders for Firearms).

[TheDemonLord]

I'll just add this article into the mix.......... Just to stir the pot even more.....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...in-new-zealand

Reading that, it would seem the new guns laws will do nothing to save lives.


GG-WP.

[jasonu]

Mwhahaha...

I'm just waiting for Husa to come along and twist this somehow.....


"It's just some journalists opinion"......... Or somthing along those lines............

But but but national...

[jasonu]

Reading that, it would seem the new guns laws will do nothing to save lives.


GG-WP.

Er um no shit...
but the tooth monster will get some sort of prize or medal or even another Oprah mention for it.

[husaberg]

But but but national...

MPs all Supported the bill as did all the other MPs other than one from a party that cant poll 5%,

He also forgot to vote first time around as he was to busy giving a "press conference".

So why a law change the majority of kiwis decided they wanted, needs to be changed to suit the wants of a tiny minority who want to play bang bang with a rifle, That the law changes made 30 years ago was meant to exclude anyway.
Or have you all just conveniently forgotten that.........Along with the 50 innocent people the gun owner slaughtered in the mater of minutes, or is it just living in the USA has made you hohum about a guy going on a rampage with a firearm.
Maybe you can tell me why the USA has so many mass slaughters with firearms compared to the UK. After all the NRA says its not the guns is there just a muchlarger % of muppetards in the usa.

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe you can tell me why the USA has so many mass slaughters with firearms compared to the UK. After all the NRA says its not the guns is there just a muchlarger % of muppetards in the usa.

And then you can tell me why Switzerland doesn't.

[jasonu]

Maybe you can tell me why the USA has so many mass slaughters with firearms compared to the UK. .

I didn't know it was a competition.

[husaberg]

I didn't know it was a competition.

Trust me the one actual thing the USA wins in is its own people killing each other with firearms

At one point, Australia suffered from an even larger problem of mass shootings (on a per capita basis) than the US, but a massive effort to turn away from that gun culture after a particularly horrendous shooting in 1996 has drastically reduced the problem in Australia over the last twenty years. With only 20 percent of the murder rate of the US, half the robbery rate, and no active mass shootings in almost 20 years, Australia is a very potent example of what can be achieved if a country is willing to reduce the presence and availability of guns as well as the gun culture. John J. Donohue III has been one of the leading empirical researchers in the legal academy over the past 25 years.

130 studies conducted in 10 separate countries point out stricter gun control saves lives.
https://www.sciencealert.com/scienti...ks-saves-lives

Every country is unique, but Australia is more similar to the US than is, say, Japan or England. We have a frontier history and a strong gun culture. Each state and territory has its own gun laws, and in 1996 these varied widely between the jurisdictions. At that time Australia's firearm mortality rate per population was 2.6/100,000 – about one-quarter the US rate (pdf), according to data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and the US Center for Disease Control. Today the rate is under 1/100,000 – less than one-tenth the US rate (pdf). Those figures refer to all gun deaths – homicide, suicide and unintentional. If we focus on gun homicide rates, the US outstrips Australia 30-fold.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ol-saves-lives

Australia's mass shootings dropped to zero after gun reforms
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/23/h...udy/index.html

How Australia All But Ended Gun Violence
http://fortune.com/2018/02/20/austra...ntrol-success/

[aNZBloke]

I'll just add this article into the mix.......... Just to stir the pot even more.....


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...in-new-zealand

I do not understand why that cop who was told about a nutter at the gun club did nothing. He should be charged as an accomplice to murder.

The money for the buyback should be better spend on more oversight and better education of the cops and more feet on the ground rather than hiding behind a tree for catching a speeder on a straight road. Would save a lot more lives to get drunks and druggies from the road.

[Graystone]

It's more conclusive than anything you've brought up.

I've made the point, you just don't like what it means.



Yeah, No.

If you think that is comparable, then you're being completely Dishonest. Try again.


If Only previously in the thread I had specified that I was referring to Trucks over 3.5 Tonne....

I don't think firearms are comparable to trucks in the first place, that's why I'm pointing out the flaws in you making the comparison. If there is a reason why firearms being used by terrorists to murder 300 people shouldn't count when comparing terrorist's 'favored' means of killing, let me know where exactly your goalposts are. Spitting the dummy like this does you no good...

[Graystone]

I'll just add this article into the mix.......... Just to stir the pot even more.....


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...in-new-zealand

Is the goal to stop shooting incidents, or save lives? Measure what you want to improve...

[Pound]

Again, here is yet another example of the police being heavy handed and over the top........

Knee jerk reaction you think?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12230601

[TheDemonLord]

I don't think firearms are comparable to trucks in the first place,

I know.

That's entirely the point.

Thank you for proving it.

If there is a reason why firearms being used by terrorists to murder 300 people shouldn't count when comparing terrorist's 'favored' means of killing, let me know where exactly your goalposts are. Spitting the dummy like this does you no good...

Execution by Firing squad, regardless of how Barbaric and unjust is not a Terrorist attack.

The whole 'indiscriminate vs discriminate' thing.

Not to mention other factors - such as it being part of an ongoing civil war (or Insurgency) and primarily Directed towards enemy Combatants (Police and Army Personnel).