The firearm thread

[husaberg]

Nice deflection, I didn't ask about multiple killings, what about overall firearms deaths or did the murder rate even change at all ?

No you didn't..........

Where's the figures for NZ prior to the Mosque shooting and after the Mosque shooting ?

if you wanted specific questions answered you need to ask a specific question.
The Mosque shooting was a mass killing.

For instance, in the United States there are about 106 deaths per 1 million population each year.
In each of the last two years, New Zealand recorded 2.4 gun-related deaths per million people.

considering one guy killed 50 people, in one day of the year, you now claim you want figures for.
I think the figures for that year, might be a little skewed for that same year.

[jasonu]

No you didn't..........


if you wanted specific questions answered you need to ask a specific question.
The Mosque shooting was a mass killing.


considering one guy killed 50 people in one day for the year you now claim you want fuigures for I think the figures for that year might be a little skewed for that year.

In English please.

[Kickaha]

if you wanted specific questions answered you need to ask a specific question.

Leaving the mosque victims out of it, what was the overall murder rate before the firearms confiscation and after the firearms confiscation, is that specific enough ?

[Danger Mouse]

Okay Warwick prior to the mosque shooting there were many multiple killing after the law reforms there has been none.
Yes that's sarcasm, but its a silly question.

Burgess gang
Five men were robbed and killed on the Maungatapu Track near Nelson in 1866



Hēnare Hona 1934
5 killed

Stanley Graham 1941
Hokitika man Stanley Graham shot four police officers and three other people after a dispute with a neighbour who he believed was killing his cattle in 1941.
Graham himself was eventually shot dead by police after a manhunt involving more than 100 police and several hundred army and Home Guard personnel.

Featherston riot 1843
Guards at a Featherston camp for Japanese prisoners of war shot and killed 48 prisoners during a riot in 1943, during World War II. One New Zealand soldier also died.



Aramoana 1990
A man in the small seaside township of Aramoana near Dunedin, David Gray, killed 13 people


Schlaepfer killing 1992
killed six members of his family before turning a shotgun on himself in May 1992.



Bain Family 1994
6 killed

Raurimu rampage 1997
In February 1997 Stephen Lawrence Anderson killed six people at Raurimu, near Mt Ruapehu. Anderson had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and was found not guilty of murder on the grounds of insanity.
the guns were illegally owned.






2019
Christchurch mosque massacre: 50 dead in shootings


If what dingemousedick was true there will be more multiple killings as a result of the law change.

People keep going on how the law reform didn't work as X many have never handed in the guns they clearly were and are not law-abiding citizens that should have even a firearm at all.

Here we go husaberg, stop being so insecure about your micropenis, and start educating yourself.

You're far from as smart as you think.

[ellipsis]

...knives are evil, tools of the devil...and I have a kitchen full of them...bwahahahahaha...

[Kickaha]

People keep going on how the law reform didn't work as X many have never handed in the guns they clearly were and are not law-abiding citizens that should have even a firearm at all.

I wouldn't have either, I shouldn't be penalized because the police failed in their vetting process

[Katman]

...knives are evil, tools of the devil...and I have a kitchen full of them...bwahahahahaha...

I'll send you my list.

[husaberg]

Leaving the mosque victims out of it, what was the overall murder rate before the firearms confiscation and after the firearms confiscation, is that specific enough ?

Why would you leave out the mosque victims they were gun homicides that happened?

The law reform happened last year.
On 10 April, the Government passed the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Act 2019.
The amnesty lasted until DEC 19
the second tranche only came into effect March 15 this year.
Yet you want to judge it based on 6 months vs 200 years.


Over a 10-year period, New Zealand's total number of gun-related homicides 73 people died in New Zealand in a gun-related incident from 2007 to 2016.
or 69 total murders with a firearm between 2008 and 2017.


Thats about 8 homicide on average per year
For it to have increased over 50 at the CHCH mosque killings, plus an assumption of the average of 8 per year it would have had to have 48 firearm homicides by now this year.

There simply is no figures for 2020 I doubt there is even complete figures for 2019.
but I am certain there have not been 48 firearm homicides this year yet in NZ.

You actually need to wait until there is data.

[RDJ]

Why, husaberg, are you such a hoplophobe?

Did someone point a gun at you once and you wet yourself?

People kill people, guns don't kill people until wielded by the evil.

We have seen a significant rise in gun crime since the post-massacre gun confiscations from the law-abiding.

Because, buckwheat, the non-law-abiding don't give up their weapons, whether those weapons are guns, knives, bats, cars, fists, boots, electrical cords, 4"x2" timber baulks, fence-posts, or anything else they can grip and hit their victims with.

[Kickaha]

but I am certain there have not been 48 firearm homicides this year yet in NZ.

You actually need to wait until there is data.

I said overall murder rate not firearms murder rate, you need to work on your comprehension

[Kickaha]

We have seen a significant rise in gun crime since the post-massacre gun confiscations from the law-abiding.

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Where are your links and figures to back that statement up ?

[husaberg]

I said overall murder rate not firearms murder rate, you need to work on your comprehension

but you said you want to also exclude results of some murders ie 50 of them?
So what would that prove to do with a firearm legislation change?
Why are you wanting to mislead the results in a firearm thread by leaving of 50 firearm murders?
Do you think people are now using other weapons to kill people rather than firearms?
This is all I can find.
https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...eport-2018.pdf

According to the homicide report .
126 people – 86 men, 27 women and 13 young people – who died in suspicious or homicidal circumstances 2019.
There is no figures for 2020 on account of it is still 2020.

[Danger Mouse]

Deleted. 10 char

[pritch]

Some may not like Husaberg's posts, they may even criticise his spelling. Y'all have to admit though that he does know how to use a search engine. Unlike some others hereabout.

[FJRider]

Where are your links and figures to back that statement up ?

From May 2020. Not statistic's as such ... but interesting reading.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...ls-in-a-decade

Opinions of the general public may vary on how serious the actual issue is ... as will some groups opinion on the seriousness of any perceived issue.

ie: There will be those with public safety interests at heart ... and those with their own interests at heart (and still claiming to be in the former group).