The firearm thread

[Mr Merde]

Need an answer. We need to know 7mm.08 Winchester 139gr. Where should the POI be at 50m if I want it zero for 100m. I.E. If I'm aiming at the centre of the target at 50 m where should the group form . Ta

Did the ballistic table help?

[scumdog]

Mr Merde, treat the hare as you would fallow venison and you won't go wrong.

Cut into cubes and slow cassaroled is my favourite, any similar recipe will do.

Don't hang it for days and days as you hear, (it will only put you off hare) just a day or two in a cooler fly-free area at the most at this time of year.

[Mr Merde]

Mr Merde, treat the hare as you would fallow venison and you won't go wrong.

Cut into cubes and slow cassaroled is my favourite, any similar recipe will do.

Don't hang it for days and days as you hear, (it will only put you off hare) just a day or two in a cooler fly-free area at the most at this time of year.

Thanks SD

Was planning on dessing the animals when I got home tonight.

Looking forward to my first meal of hare.

[doc]

Did the ballistic table help?

Yep worked a treat. Originally shooting too high, we zeroed inch high at 50m. Corrected with your tables
Got 6 Hares with 7 shots 50 to 150 meters. Hares are easy prey round here not much shooting done, and they are pretty stupid. Even got a red hind down your way (Glen Murray) That's at the home kill guy's chiller, we want a proper job .

Mr Merde, treat the hare as you would fallow venison and you won't go wrong.

Cut into cubes and slow cassaroled is my favourite, any similar recipe will do.

Don't hang it for days and days as you hear, (it will only put you off hare) just a day or two in a cooler fly-free area at the most at this time of year.

Yeah I think people try to get too fancy with small game, skin it, cool it, dice it, simple marinade overnite, put it in the crockpot, use it for a pie filling. I will hunt up a Fish and Game type posh recipe for the Hare fillets and PM you.

[Mr Merde]

Yep worked a treat. Originally shooting too high, we zeroed inch high at 50m. Corrected with your tables
Got 6 Hares with 7 shots 50 to 150 meters. Hares are easy prey round here not much shooting done, and they are pretty stupid. Even got a red hind down your way (Glen Murray) That's at the home kill guy's chiller, we want a proper job .



Yeah I think people try to get too fancy with small game, skin it, cool it, dice it, simple marinade overnite, put it in the crockpot, use it for a pie filling. I will hunt up a Fish and Game type posh recipe for the Hare fillets and PM you.

Glad they worked. Great believer in ballistic tables. I had to guess some of the information for you. Such as the BC of the bullet, temperature and altitude. Also the initial velocity of the projectile. Wind table is for a 5mph cross wind (8kph).

[Swoop]

Cannot remember if this has been posted before.
Massad Ayoob once again doing his stuff, police style.
Interesting .38 stuff.

[Wolf]

Cannot remember if this has been posted before.
Massad Ayoob once again doing his stuff, police style.
Interesting .38 stuff.

I've certainly read it before but I can't recall if it was linked off this thread or I found it while googling.

Great article, Massad Ayoob is always a brilliant read. I bought his "In Gravest Extreme" and it was superb. Short book but very much to the point.

When I dig it out again I'll loan it to my niece who's recently become a cop. If she ever has to draw in the line of duty, I'd prefer she had the advice of (arguably) the world's greatest expert on self defence and police training in mind.

[scumdog]

When I dig it out again I'll loan it to my niece who's recently become a cop. If she ever has to draw in the line of duty, I'd prefer she had the advice of (arguably) the world's greatest expert on self defence and police training in mind.

My credo: Aim as staight as posible and keep firing until the fkr complies with my instructions. ("Stop, get down on the ground")

Something I DIDN'T learn at training BTW.

[sAsLEX]

My credo: Aim as staight as posible and keep firing until the fkr complies with my instructions. ("Stop, get down on the ground")

Something I DIDN'T learn at training BTW.

We get taught that.

Thought that would be SOPs for Cops....... empty mags in to the bugger until they are no longer a threat?

[jrandom]

Finally shot my M14 clone, the Norinco M305, today.

Drove down to Mr Merde's place in Onewhero for a play. Gosh, I wish I lived in the countryside! Wide open spaces. Sigh.

Anyway.

I haven't shot an M1, M1A or M14 before, and IMHO, the M305 shoots very softly. Very little perceived recoil for a .308. Nice trigger pull; heavy, but clean, with a short initial takeup and then what feels like about a 7lb break. Not quite as crisp as a Sako or Savage, of course, but we are talking a Chinese copy of an American military rifle, and for what it is, it feels great. A gentle push back into the shoulder and a nice smooth BOOM from the muzzle.

I'd need a quiet morning with a spotting scope to put a few hundred rounds through it and get a feel for the iron sights before I could confidently comment on its accuracy, but it certainly gives the impression of being MOA-capable.

We had no difficulty plinking out palm-sized bundles of holes at 100m, sitting and prone. Mr Merde managed a 1-inch 3-round group at one point.

Absolutely no hassles with feeding and firing, apart from the fact that the supplied five-round magazines were a very tight fit; it took a bit of shooting and playing around to get them inserting properly every time. The twenty-round magazines the rifle was designed to take would be a lot easier to work with.

On the whole, once I got the hang of loading it and locking the mag home, it felt like it'd be just about impossible to jam or misfeed. About as bullet-proof (sic) as an automatic 30-calibre rifle gets.

On the whole, the Norinco M305 is about the best value for money one can get in a new rifle at the moment, I'd say. A lovely little piece of carefully-replicated history. Apparently there are a fair few left in the country for sale still (you can get them from Sportways and Reloaders in Auckland, and Gun City in Christchurch) and they're going for $900 - $1000.

If you can scrape the cash together, guys, just buy one. You'll keep it forever and never regret it.

My one's going to see a lot of service at matches and drop a fair few four-legged beasties over the coming decades, that's for sure.



Yes, it is an exact M14 copy, right down to the receiver cutouts (hidden by the M305's wooden stock) that accept a rock 'n' roll selector switch...

[jrandom]

Oh, yeah, I posted it to another thread, but that'll disappear in the mists of time, so here, for posterity, is my four-year-old son shooting Mr Merde's M1 carbine (he was much more interested in the M1 than the .22 - a boy after my own heart):

[deanohit]

Oh, yeah, I posted it to another thread, but that'll disappear in the mists of time, so here, for posterity, is my four-year-old son shooting Mr Merde's M1 carbine (he was much more interested in the M1 than the .22 - a boy after my own heart):

Now that is cool mate! Another young shooter. Great to hear your pleased with your new rifle, they look damn good. What is the wood work like?
The wood on my Norinco JW-15 is pretty average and I'll be making a new stock for it out of native timber as soon as possible. I'm bringing it back up with me and hope to get into 1 or 2 bunny & possum blocks up around Tauranga. If not, I'll be just as happy at the range.

[jrandom]

What is the wood work like?

Very average.

I'll be looking for a nice synthetic stock forthwith.

[ManDownUnder]

Very average.

I'll be looking for a nice synthetic stock forthwith.

LOL all good mate.

Where to get good stocks from? I love (and will get) a 77/22 at some point but the stock looks naff in the extreme (to my eye anyway). Wooden stock wanted... but where from?

Edit forget that - just found one online... (MR Google is very good...!)
DOH!

[chris]

Just after some advice please. I have a Ruger 10/22 fitted with a Bushnell 9x40 that needs zeroing. I've always been a shotgun man so the little semi auto is something new to me, as is zeroing. Can anyone help me out with an easy fix or point me in the right direction of someone who can help?