The firearm thread

[Swoop]

Still doesn't look as sexy as a SPAS-12...

So long as looks are the main criteria. Grossly over-engineered and under-performing.

Great, just what the USA needs, another murderously dangerous weapon.

And despite making a brand new object with only one use - killing people, I bet the designer calls himself a "Christian", a "Family Man" and a "Patriot".

I bet Henry Ford could be accused of the same thing...

Course you can, semis can be converted to full auto with a $5 part.

Buahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
Fuggin hilarious!

[PirateJafa]

Looks like the magazine holds just enough shells for your average classroom. That's me sold.

[Steam]

Buahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
Fuggin hilarious!

Okay, so I don't know much about converting guns from semi to auto. I'm just going on what a "friend of mine" did, he ordered a whole new... thingy for his wotsit, as he couldn't file off the bit wot does the thing so it can go full auto. Or something. All I know is the part he ordered cost less than the price of the postage.

[Steam]

my i suggest those of you mentioning 'gun crazy usa' take a look at the Violent Crime rates for the US of A...
and then, just for fun, compare them to lil' ol' NZ's.
you'll be (un)pleasantly surprised.

Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994:
United States 14.24
New Zealand 2.38

But that's not violent crime like you suggested, just deaths.
Violent crime as reported in a Ministry of Justice (hmm, dunno if I want to trust the ministry of justice) press-release in 2000 said:

“The rate of total recorded violent crime for America in 2000 was almost four times the rate for New Zealand. Using the American definitions of violent crime, the rate in the USA was 506.1 offences per 100,000 people compared to 132.6 in New Zealand. "

But maybe those figures have been massaged for political gain.
Only the police would know I suppose.

[geoffm]

Hmm, machine guns have been controlled in the US since 1934, with the National Firearms Act. Before that, you coudl order them from the Sears catalogue. You can than Al Capone and friends for that law. It did of course make absolutely no difference to the gangsters. I might add, it was the same here before 1920, when gun control laws were introduced (copied from the UK) due to fears of a Bolshieviek revolution. Crime had nothing to do with it.
Modifying your semi auto will get you a 10 year stretch in jail, as will unlicense d possesion of a full auto sear for a semi auto gun.
The BATF (Bureau of Alcohohl, Tabacco and Firearms - all the cool stuff in one package) bans and prosecutes any gun maker which sells guns which can be easily converted to full auto. The semi auto version of the Ingram Mac 10 and Mac 11 being one example.
Finally, if you are going to compare countries, perhaps consider that the US is a really big place, with gun laws varying to city level. Murder rates vary significantly in a similar manner and generally in inverse to the strictness of the laws. A direct comparison is irrelevant, as so many other factors come into account. Examples being the past murder capital of the US (New York) and current (I believe) Washington DC where handguns have been banned since 1911 and 1968 respectively. The US laws vary between states. Some have little more restrictions than that imposed federally, and others (such as California - that quiet haven of lawfullness) have stricter laws than NZ.
Finally, compare the non-gunmureder rate - it is still higher than elsewhere, showing that guns aren't required to kill people. IIRC most offenders are black or hispanic, in the cities and involved in the drug trade.
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[homer]

very cool

theres some weapons better
but i want one

reminds me of the one i wanted to make that you just cliped the belt feed on to the top
12 gauge belt fed what more could you want ....oh yeah now this

beats a stirling with a nail jamed in the sear and a 15 shot clip


Oh year and rotary mags are the way to go

[sAsLEX]

you call that a gun.... this is a gun

[EJK]

rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scumdog]

So was the AK-47.

Also the comparison with the AK-47 is probably a bit unfair since the communists were giving them to those they supported.

So that makes it alright huh?

[dipshit]

And despite making a brand new object with only one use - killing people, I bet the designer calls himself a "Christian", a "Family Man" and a "Patriot".

Of course he would. Perfect weapon for crowd control. Should be able to kill plenty of Muslims with one of these suckers! (or any other of the "other religions" for that matter) God bless America.

[Swoop]

Interesting to note where Blackwater is located...
I suppose the people slightly to the North had a lot of input into its design!

you call that a gun.... this is a gun

It isn't. It is a grenade launcher.

[nodrog:Me]

I'm not a gun type person...... but fook me I think I am neow!!!

I want one!!

can i borrow it at duck shooting season?

[Mr Merde]

Course you can, semis can be converted to full auto with a $5 part.

And a special licence that is bloody hard to get in the US.

[Mr Merde]

No. The issue for me here is that device is only designed for killing people.

So were darts, javelins, bows and arrrows, the shotput and the discus, lets ban the olympic games

[Mr Merde]

Arent shotguns illegal according to the geneva convention?

In WW1, once they entered, the US had regiments of men armed with shotguns.

Just imagine 200 + men with 8 shot pump action shotties all loaded with buckshot (.36 ball, 9). behind them another 200 + men just loading shotguns.

The German high command actually complained that it was a cruel and excessive weapon and lodged a complaint with whoever the Geneva Convention people were at this time.

In the meantime they thought it ok to use poison gas to maim and kill.

Needless to say the complaint wasnt upheldand shotguns have been a valuable and widely used military firearm for everything from jungle warefare to urban fighting.