The firearm thread

[scumdog]

Needless to say the complaint wasnt upheldand shotguns have been a valuable and widely used military firearm for everything from jungle warefare to urban fighting.

The old mans platoons scouts in Malaya used Browning 5-shots autos loaded with SG buckshot back in the 50's.

They had to use solid brass shells due to humidity swelling the carboard ones and causing jams. (Plastic ones weren't around back then).

[The Pastor]

should i get a bolt action 22 or a semi? what are the pros and cons of each?

[deanohit]

Bolt for a first gun, makes you concentrate on bullet placement rather than filling the air with lead (Although it's fun!) and a good quality bolt gun can be had reasonably cheap.

[scumdog]

OK, I have one of those Chinese semi-auto .22s that look like and M1 carbine (I think it looks like one - sling-swivels on the side of the stock, barrel-band etc) and need a new magazine.
The present mag is plastic with a steel floor-plate but sadly mine has split.

Anybody know where I can get another one???

[Smokin]

Sounds like a Norinco to me, I would have thought most firearm dealers would be able to scratch one up for you. I know gun city sells them if that helps at all?

[scumdog]

Tried an ad in NZ Guns with no luck.

[jrandom]

Anybody know where I can get another one???

Call Reloaders Supplies in Auckland. They should be able to courier you those magazines at about $50 a pop.

[ManDownUnder]

should i get a bolt action 22 or a semi? what are the pros and cons of each?

I prefer bolt for 3 reasons:
1) Solid accurate action takes any slack out of the system (read "accuracy") and also doesn't take energy out of the system (speed power - although that point's debatable I think...)?
2) After squeezing the trigger the gun is safe. A big point for me as a shooter, or if I am shooting with someone I need to know that I am safe.
3) Teaches good placement of bullets because of point 2 above. It takes a few seconds to reload and you can't "just have another go" ... or 5...

[scumdog]

I prefer bolt for 3 reasons:
1) Solid accurate action takes any slack out of the system (read "accuracy") and also doesn't take energy out of the system (speed power - although that point's debatable I think...)?
2) After squeezing the trigger the gun is safe. A big point for me as a shooter, or if I am shooting with someone I need to know that I am safe.
3) Teaches good placement of bullets because of point 2 above. It takes a few seconds to reload and you can't "just have another go" ... or 5...

Re (1) above and 'take energy' - most semis lose more power from having a shorter barrel than a bolt than because of the the blow-back function - so don't worry on that aspect.

The other poits are good plus you can take the bolt out of a bolt action (no shit?) whereas a semi is tought to make safe and be visibly so.

The downside is I'm forever forgetting where I've 'secured' the bolts for my bolt-actions.

[Swoop]

The other poits are good plus you can take the bolt out of a bolt action (no shit?) whereas a semi is tought to make safe and be visibly so.

At range competitions, a great idea that someone came up with, was to cut up pieces of the blue sponge that you use for sleeping-bag underlay (what ever it is called) into pieces 4" long by 1" wide.
These are issued to every competitor and when not shooting it is placed into the ejection port of self-loading rifles.
Damn obvious that the firearm is safe.
Only removed at the firing point when told to "load".

[Wolf]

3) Teaches good placement of bullets because of point 2 above. It takes a few seconds to reload and you can't "just have another go" ... or 5...

Like a mate of mine using my semi - missed the shot, possum takes off along the branch with the guy firing as fast as he can, trying to track the possum along its path.

Last I saw of the possum was a bushy tail vanishing into a bush a few feet beyond and below the end of the branch - presumably completely unscathed aside from a few scrapes caused by leaping into the bush.

Good thing .22 ammo's dirt cheap - would hate to think what his lack of marksmanship and tendency to "go Rambo" would have cost me if it was a .308.

A single shot bolt action is great incentive to make sure you hit first time.

[ManDownUnder]

Like a mate of mine using my semi - missed the shot, possum takes off along the branch with the guy firing as fast as he can, trying to track the possum along its path.

LOL... gotta admit my major issue with that is where the lead is landing. First shot is controlled, safe miss zone etc, but shots 2+ have this amazing tendency to go damned near anywhere... "that way" off into the inky night.

Possum shooting is a good example of that downside, it's night - no visibility beyond the immediate and often done with stock and/or housing in range... not good.

Here endeth the safety lecture... I had it beaten into me as a kid (Sue Bradford - see.. a smack does do good!)

[ManDownUnder]

And a special licence that is bloody hard to get in the US.

...or take the KB/motorcycling approach..."License... wot license?"

[Smokin]

LOL... gotta admit my major issue with that is where the lead is landing. First shot is controlled, safe miss zone etc, but shots 2+ have this amazing tendency to go damned near anywhere... "that way" off into the inky night.

Thats why you should only go Rambo with a semi auto 12 gauge

[deanohit]

Possum shooting is a good example of that downside, it's night - no visibility beyond the immediate and often done with stock and/or housing in range... not good.

And thats why I've never spotlighted in a place I haven't checked out thoroughly during the day time.
Heck, I want to be invited back to those blocks in the future, not fuck up some good contacts.