The firearm thread

[scumdog]

As a US ex-pat I'm prepared to forgive you for your blinkered and reactionary approach. Firearms are not a "tool". They are a means of killing things,

Not totally for this boy - they're a fun thing, good to use for shits and giggles as well as hunting

Sorta like a Hyabusa or a GT40, not essential but fun to use..

Sure, I DO kill things - some deserved to die less than some 'humans' in this country but it keeps my larder full. (well right now it's a tad depleted - gotta get out there and kill something)

[sAsLEX]

Protecting one's life (and even worse, property) with deadly force is a matter for the Courts to deal with, and should not be mandated to people to dispense as and when they see fit.



People who live here need to respect our laws and values. If they hanker for the right to gun down whomsoever they wish at the flimsiest of excuses, then they should move to a jurisdiction that encourages such practices.

So 3 criminals break into your house high on P do you just sit back and rest on the courts laurels ?

In NZ is lethal force actually illegal ?

As long as you match threat to force anything goes.....?

And protecting ones family is not something I would view as a flimsy excuse.

[hospitalfood]

to change the subject slightly
we call them firearms
the army calls them weapons

a young friend ( with FAL ) recently joined the army and he gets told off for calling them firearms, probably had to do 100 push-ups

[Hitcher]

So 3 criminals break into your house high on P do you just sit back and rest on the courts laurels ?

In NZ is lethal force actually illegal ?

As long as you match threat to force anything goes.....?

And protecting ones family is not something I would view as a flimsy excuse.

Three criminals high on P break into my house. "Hang on a second," says I, "while I go and get my Sig Sauer 1911 out of the kitchen drawer."

"Hang on a second," says I, "while I go and get my Leatherman knife with gut hook out of the boot of the car."

"Hang on a second," says I, while I throw the remote control, the cat and glass of Talisker 16 at them, whilst making a dive through the window, more likely.

Extravagant scenarios do not usefully frame the issue here.

But I will play along with this and see where it goes. Now where were we... That's right, I am sitting in the comfort of my TV room which has recently been infiltrated by three gentlemen off their heads under the influence of P who clearly wish to drink my scotch, smash up my belongings and sodomise me while they watch the last episode of Downsize me on TV3.

But I am prepared for them. Little do they know that beneath the copy of The Listener on my lap is a Sig Sauer 1911 with eight rounds of hollow points in its clip and the safety off.

"Fuck off," says I. "I've just missed an easy salad recipe."

"Yeah fuck you," sneers the largest and most off-his-headed one, displaying a terrifying command of the English language.

"Bang, bang, bang!" goes the Sig.

Thud, thud, thud go the P-brains.

Meanwhile, I've got brains and various body parts splattered all over the TV and up the walls, and blood is starting to make a nasty mess of the carpet.

"Dial 111!" says I to self. "I hope the fuzz get here soon or I'll have to tape House."

The Fuzz duly arrive. I am duly charged with possession of a particularly nasty firearm, discharging it with intent to injure, use of excessive force and other sundry related matters.

Eventually I stand trial, as indeed I should and as I deserve.

[scumdog]

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"Bang, bang, bang!" goes the Sig.

Eventually I stand trial, as indeed I should and as I deserve.

But think of the misery you will have saved other householders..

[Hitcher]

But think of the misery you will have saved other householders.

I'll get my barrister to mention that in my defence.

[sAsLEX]

use of excessive force

You were outnumbered, dropping them is not excessive force, in fact whilst they still present a real and present lethal threat to yourself there is no such thing as excessive force.

Golf club vs Glock?

[Hitcher]

Golf club vs Glock?

The golf clubs are in the basement. I don't think my visitors would welcome my exit to retrieve a lob wedge.

And what's the best way of dealing with over 15 litres of blood contamination? Will The Fuzz arrange a clean-up for me?

[jrandom]

Golf club vs Glock?

If I'm closer than 21 feet, and your Glock's still in its holster, Science (tm) says I should back myself with the golf club...

[jrandom]

And what's the best way of dealing with over 15 litres of blood contamination? Will The Fuzz arrange a clean-up for me?

Presumably your logic is that if it's your own, you won't be needing to do so much worrying about the clean-up?

[sAsLEX]

If I'm closer than 21 feet, and your Glock's still in its holster, Science (tm) says I should back myself with the golf club...

Well I wouldn't be using a plastic fantastic pistol , much prefer a P226, and I can fire without removing the pistol from my holster...... accurately no..... but by the time I am firing you are rather close.

[sAsLEX]

The golf clubs are in the basement. I don't think my visitors would welcome my exit to retrieve a lob wedge.

And what's the best way of dealing with over 15 litres of blood contamination? Will The Fuzz arrange a clean-up for me?

Use a .22 and head shots. No blood that way.

[jrandom]

Well I wouldn't be using a plastic fantastic pistol , much prefer a P226...

Super-duper trigger. Much nicer pistol, agreed. Only ever shot one once, mind ewe, but it was nice.

I can fire without removing the pistol from my holster...... accurately no..... but by the time I am firing you are rather close.

It's kinda academic; I don't really see myself coming at you with the club in the first place, to be honest. I'd rather bring a rifle...

[Hitcher]

Use a .22 and head shots. No blood that way.

So you think a 1911 may be overdoing things just a little?

[sAsLEX]

So you think a 1911 may be overdoing things just a little?

Depends what you had at hand.

One has to look at the defences open to you.