The firearm thread

**jasonu** · 22nd November 2019, 03:17

Originally Posted by Laava

Has it occurred to you that some people voted labour simply because they were the best party at the election? In the same light that Trump got voted in?
case in point, nationals current leader. Is he prime minister material? If he stays as their leader, labour is pretty much guaranteed a second term.

The way I saw it a lot of those people protested voted not for Labour but for the minor parties but got caught out when Winston went for Labour. I doubt that will happen again. True, Simon is far from ideal but with the continuous supply of Labour balls ups and Simons slightly better performance he just might end up being the best of a bad bunch.
I predict National and Trump for 2020.

**Laava** · 22nd November 2019, 06:13

Have you not been watching the news? Things are not going well for Trump at the moment.

**jasonu** · 22nd November 2019, 08:04

Originally Posted by Laava

Have you not been watching the news? Things are not going well for Trump at the moment.

Depends on which news you watch. They’re all a bunch of liars.

**FJRider** · 22nd November 2019, 08:12

Originally Posted by Laava

Has it occurred to you that some people voted labour simply because they were the best party at the election?

But Labour did not win enough seats in the house to form a Government. They needed help from the smaller Parties and a Party leader that has no electorate, but got into Parliament because his Party had enough Party votes to give him a seat in Parliament.

If more people thought they were "The best Party at the election" ... they would have won the election.

Now we have a Government by Committee. As such, some concessions have to be made by our noble leader to get policies in place.

**Laava** · 22nd November 2019, 11:03

Originally Posted by FJRider

But Labour did not win enough seats in the house to form a Government. They needed help from the smaller Parties and a Party leader that has no electorate, but got into Parliament because his Party had enough Party votes to give him a seat in Parliament.

If more people thought they were "The best Party at the election" ... they would have won the election.

Now we have a Government by Committee. As such, some concessions have to be made by our noble leader to get policies in place.

Yes we all know that. Neither did National win enough seats. But Labour were able to form a govt, something that eluded National at the time. Being able to work with and compromise with others, is what gives Labour the edge over National. Next election? We will see who has done enough, hopefully it won't just be Soymen Brudges crapping on endlessly about how badly Labour has done, but actually proposing something that the public likes and they can deliver on. I will not hold my breath.
Here's a nice idea, get rid of Wankpac as the govts bank of choice and support Kiwibank.

**Laava** · 22nd November 2019, 11:04

Originally Posted by jasonu

Depends on which news you watch. They’re all a bunch of liars.

No it doesn't. All the news outlets are reporting honestly on Trumpgate.

So where do you get your news from that you are the only one that knows what is going on then?
Here's a clue, you have no more clues than anyone else. Faith in Donald Trump has gone out of fashion now. Don't know where you are going to get a replacement from tho....

**TheDemonLord** · 22nd November 2019, 11:07

Originally Posted by Laava

No it doesn't. All the news outlets are reporting honestly on Trumpgate.

I don't think I can name a single news outlet, Right or Left leaning that has ever reported honestly on anything to do with Trump.

**TheDemonLord** · 22nd November 2019, 11:09

Originally Posted by Laava

Yes we all know that. Neither did National win enough seats. But Labour were able to form a govt, something that eluded National at the time. Being able to work with and compromise with others, is what gives Labour the edge over National. Next election? We will see who has done enough, hopefully it won't just be Soymen Brudges crapping on endlessly about how badly Labour has done, but actually proposing something that the public likes and they can deliver on. I will not hold my breath.
Here's a nice idea, get rid of Wankpac as the govts bank of choice and support Kiwibank.

It wasn't compromise.

It was Winston Peters and his desire to get back at National, ever since 1996.

**jasonu** · 22nd November 2019, 13:05

Originally Posted by Laava

No it doesn't. All the news outlets are reporting honestly on Trumpgate.

Fuck mate that's about as likely as finding an honest politician.

**onearmedbandit** · 22nd November 2019, 14:43

Originally Posted by Laava

No it doesn't. All the news outlets are reporting honestly on Trumpgate.

I'm curious as to how you measure that.

**Laava** · 22nd November 2019, 14:45

Originally Posted by jasonu

Fuck mate that's about as likely as finding an honest politician.

Which is why the news is to a degree untrustworthy. It is from, for the most part, and about untrustworthy people. You have to read between the lines. Which is exactly why Donald Trump is in so much trouble now, because people are working out that he is an untrustworthy fraudster.

So, where do you get all you accurate facts from?

**TheDemonLord** · 22nd November 2019, 14:47

Originally Posted by Laava

Which is exactly why Donald Trump is in so much trouble now, because people are working out that he is an untrustworthy fraudster.

The Burden of proof is to show that he is much more of an untrustworthy Fraudster than every other politician. Given recent track records, that might be a bit of a struggle....

**Laava** · 22nd November 2019, 14:49

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

I'm curious as to how you measure that.

I didn't say it would be accurate. They for the mostpart report on information given/sold to them and they report on it. They don't just make it up although they often put zero effort into fact checking/spellchecking and context.
It is up to you to work out what is true.

**FJRider** · 22nd November 2019, 15:34

Originally Posted by Laava

Yes we all know that. Neither did National win enough seats. But Labour were able to form a govt, something that eluded National at the time. Being able to work with and compromise with others, is what gives Labour the edge over National. Next election? We will see who has done enough, hopefully it won't just be Soymen Brudges crapping on endlessly about how badly Labour has done, but actually proposing something that the public likes and they can deliver on. I will not hold my breath.
Here's a nice idea, get rid of Wankpac as the govts bank of choice and support Kiwibank.

The basic "Thing" that gives Labour "The Edge" is ... it IS the Government. This results in introduced policies, that were full of compromises and concessions, to get some form of agreement to the Bill introduced. Not the policies how they (Labour) would have preferred.

At the next election ... the question wont be "Have they done enough .. ??? ... " but is it what the Labour voters wanted .. ???