The firearm thread

[austingtir]

"Here is the Police Mail Order Form that authorized the transfer of 2,320 rounds of ammunition to Brenton Tarrant allowing him to do what he did. Was given a licence within 5 weeks of arriving in NZ with no friends or family in the country and no vetting. Blame shouldn't fall upon the shoulders of the firearms community in NZ, but squarely at the feet of Police. The media are too busy vilifying the NZ firearms community in the hope that people don’t see the trail of blood that leads to the police's own front door."





"When will the media start asking the serious hard hitting questions? Like why did NZ police not follow the stringent policies in place for license vetting?

The process for my license was very thorough taking 5 months, including multiple people interviewed. Two house inspections. Even my references interviewed with me being forced to leave the room so I couldn’t coerce the replies.

Yet in this case the guy was in NZ 5 WEEKS. With multiple overseas issues, and was granted his license without any inspections or real life references. I believe a huge proportion to of the blame for the March attacks lay with NZ police and their inability to do their job, which is to keep the Nz populace safe by enforcing and following the law. Not failing miserably at doing so, then trying to use 250,000 law abiding Nz firearms owners as a scapegoat, a simple distraction from the true cause. It’s a joke."

And then ontop of the police being totally inept they use the event as a political tool to take those scary guns away from those lawful citizens that seem to scare them so much yet the gangs seemingly get a free pass?

I am also hearing Tarrant tried and couldnt get into the states....

[jasonu]

I am also hearing Tarrant tried and couldnt get into the states....

and if he had it is highly unlikely he would have legally obtained a gun.

[husaberg]

and if he had it is highly unlikely he would have legally obtained a gun.

So are you suggesting that most of the mass murders in the USA use only illegally obtained firearms?
Because reality differs somewhat from your opinion.
82% of firearms used in mass murders in the USA are obtained legallly
Not only that, the USA has one of the the high rates of mass murders due to its lax gun controls.

[TheDemonLord]

We weren't the original target though, we became a target or opportunity once he moved here

Except, if you read the Manifesto before it was Censured, you'd know that the above isn't true.

[TheDemonLord]

He also wasnt a criminal until he slipped in the large mags and procedded to kill the first of the 51 o people he killed and the other 40 people he shot and injured.
he also never needed the ar15 for any legitimate need or the large mags

The second he put a Large Mag on his AR - he WAS a criminal.

As has been stated many times - if the Government came out and said that all High-Cap Magazines that fit a Semi-Auto receiver now require an E-Cat Licence, no one would have complained.

If they said that they would look to remove any High-Cap Magazine (like a lot of the Bolt Action rifles that use M-14 Magazines were imported with 20 round mags) by simply swapping it (bring in a 20 round mag, get 2 5 round magazines or similar) - No one would have complained.

This is driving a Wedge between the good relationship that the Police used to enjoy with Firearm Owners. That relationship, the regular face-to-face contact was the foundation that made our entire system work.

[jasonu]

So are you suggesting that most of the mass murders in the USA use only illegally obtained firearms?
Because reality differs somewhat from your opinion.
82% of firearms used in mass murders in the USA are obtained legallly
Not only that, the USA has one of the the high rates of mass murders due to its lax gun controls.

Well I guess that's the end of nice time around here.

[scumdog]

The second he put a Large Mag on his AR - he WAS a criminal.

As has been stated many times - if the Government came out and said that all High-Cap Magazines that fit a Semi-Auto receiver now require an E-Cat Licence, no one would have complained.

If they said that they would look to remove any High-Cap Magazine (like a lot of the Bolt Action rifles that use M-14 Magazines were imported with 20 round mags) by simply swapping it (bring in a 20 round mag, get 2 5 round magazines or similar) - No one would have complained.

This is driving a Wedge between the good relationship that the Police used to enjoy with Firearm Owners. That relationship, the regular face-to-face contact was the foundation that made our entire system work.

Can't give rep but so right on so many fronts.

[scumdog]

You mean those ar15's that jacinda made even easier to obtain just 3 months before the event....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/chr...ribed-as-crazy

But is awful quiet abouth that - and other foo-foos by those meant to keep us safe...

[Danger Mouse]

Well I guess that's the end of nice time around here.

? Given that the US has different laws on a per state basis, sweeping generalizations of the entire country aren't really a relevant comparison

[husaberg]

and if he had it is highly unlikely he would have legally obtained a gun.

So are you suggesting that most of the mass murders in the USA use only illegally obtained firearms?
Because reality differs somewhat from your opinion.
82% of firearms used in mass murders in the USA are obtained legallly.
Not only that, the USA has one of the the high rates of mass murders due to its lax gun controls.

Well I guess that's the end of nice time around here.

So how is you can suggest its mainly illegally obtained firearms when 82% of firearms used in mass murders in the US are legally obtained.
Were you totally unaware of this? Or were you just trying to make out you knew what you were talking about?

[jasonu]

? Given that the US has different laws on a per state basis, sweeping generalizations of the entire country aren't really a relevant comparison

Every state I have lived in has the same basic set up. You go to a shop, choose your gun, present your government photo ID they call for a background check you get a yay or nay or a come back tomorrow. Private sales now by law must be done at a place that holds an FFL, generally a gun shop and you pay them to conduct the same background check.

[Laava]

Every state I have lived in has the same basic set up. You go to a shop, choose your gun, present your government photo ID they call for a background check you get a yay or nay or a come back tomorrow. Private sales now by law must be done at a place that holds an FFL, generally a gun shop and you pay them to conduct the same background check.

What about gun fairs?

[Danger Mouse]

Every state I have lived in has the same basic set up. You go to a shop, choose your gun, present your government photo ID they call for a background check you get a yay or nay or a come back tomorrow. Private sales now by law must be done at a place that holds an FFL, generally a gun shop and you pay them to conduct the same background check.

There is still a lot of variance, closed carry, open carry etc. Chicago has huge gun crime and very restrictive legislation there.

I think it would be the same in other areas of legislation as well no? Differences state to state mean a sweeping comparison isnt really accurate.

[Kickaha]

Blame shouldn't fall upon the shoulders of the firearms community in NZ, but squarely at the feet of Police. The media are too busy vilifying the NZ firearms community in the hope that people don’t see the trail of blood that leads to the police's own front door."

I've often wondered why their role in this has hardly been mentioned

Except, if you read the Manifesto before it was Censured, you'd know that the above isn't true.

I did, that was where I got it from

[husaberg]

What about gun fairs?

Or private sales
These states dont always require background checks for the sale of firearms
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Massachusetts
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming